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Mesa Tactical

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  1. It won't work because the M4 stock is connected to receiver in a completely different manner from the M1/M2.
  2. We have one. Here's what we did: First, with the stock on the weapon, we filled the back of the stock with Bondo. After it hardened, we removed the stock and took it to our local gunsmith. For $85, he cut 2" (I think) off the stock and ground on a very nice butt pad. It looks factory and feels a lot better. The purpose of the Bondo is so the wood screws used to attach the new butt pad having something to bite into. Once the Bondo was hard, the gunsmith could treat it like any wooden stock job.
  3. The system is in production and undergoing some teething pains. We had a version hidden under the table at the SHOT Show last month. We hope to iron out most of the problems by the end of this month and begin shipping in April or so. Depending on the acceptance of the M4 FCAM, we might make one for the M2 Tactical, with a replacement nylon forend. Anything for the M2 Tactical will probably fit the M1, with some minor gunsmithing (for example, tapping a few holes in the receiver). We will not be producing anything for the M1 specifically, as it is no longer in production.
  4. We had a manufacturing glitch that resulted in all our first run of extrusion for the six-shot SureShells being scrapped. That is why we don't show a part number for the six-shell model on our web site (though it is in our catalog). New six-shell brackets are being machined this week, and then will be sent off to the platers. It will take a few weeks for them to be anodized. All our SureShell shell holders feature an adhesive-backed rubber gasket on the inside of the bracket to protect the shotgun receiver from the SureShell assembly.
  5. You may have problems with light or "tactical" loads. The solution is to use normal loads. Folks who do this experience no problems.
  6. Heh. We've been playing with a similar idea for about a year now: The difference with ours is the rail isn't integrated, but is a separate part, any of three different lengths we offer. Also, we have a flush cup for a push-button sling swivel machined into the mag clamp (the original design is for a Remington 870, which doesn't include a forward sling mount point). We are doing a lot more for Benellis these days, so might consider introducing something like this for Benellis.
  7. The shotgun in this photo is perfectly legal in California: http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/large.tpl?Image=m4-pistolgrip-large.jpg
  8. Your friend from LAPD is misinformed. They often are. Read the law as posted above. A pistol grip stock is fine on semi-autos unless the stock is a folding or collapsible stock.
  9. Well, if you don't like my net-net, why don't you call Benelli or the ATF and find out for yourself? The people in that thread I linked to did exactly that, and got the answers I gave you, in writing. Most of the thread is uninformed handwaving by people unhappy with the facts.
  10. Google up a few pages on the 922® Federal law to get a feel for how extended magazines could be interpreted as a "non-sporting" configuration and so are banned. The way the ban works is the ATF only allows the import of Benellis in a "sporting" configuration, which precludes collapsing stocks and magazine extensions (the actual features under consideration are not written down anywhere; it is entirely subject to ATF interpretation). 922® states that once in the US, imported semi-autos cannot be built into configurations in which they are prohibited from importation. So Benelli USA, being a good corporate citizen, does as the ATF has asked and imports their semi-autos in "sporting" configurations only, and does not make parts available that allow build-ups into prohibited configurations. The hitch is that no one has ever been prosecuted for violating 922®. Individuals and aftermarket suppliers know this, so the aftermarket has stepped in to supply prohibited accessories that Benelli, a much bigger target, refuses to offer. Thus the on-going confusion. Here's an interesting thread including a letter from the ATF: BATF LETTER REGARDING "NO BAN" BENELLI M1014 / M4 SUPER 90 on AR15.com Domestic firearms have no such restrictions, and 922® spells out how you can make a domestic firearm out of an imported one by swapping parts, which is why you see so many tricked out AKs (there is a vast domestic industry making "compliant" parts for AKs; no such industry exists for the Benellis). So, the net-net: 1. ATF has ruled extended magazines are prohibited on imported semi-autos under 922®. 2. Benelli is not permitted to import weapons in configurations violating 922®, nor to sell parts allowing their aftermarket build-up into prohibited configurations (well, maybe they are allowed to sell these parts, but see no percentage in flouting the wishes of the ATF). 3. No individual has ever been prosecuted for 922® violations. 4. Folks who are unconcerned about violating a Federal law under which no one has yet been prosecuted will continue to make and buy prohibited accessories to build up their imported semi-auto shotguns into prohibited configurations. 5. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
  11. No, California does not approve shotguns, only handguns. California's assualt weapon law pertaining to shotguns is actually pretty straightforward. The following combinations are considered assault weapons: (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following: (A) A folding or telescoping stock. (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip. (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine. (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder. See? Simple. A nice primer on California firearms laws is here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=11&t=212690 Most of the other restrictions pertaining to Benellis are Federal, specifically the 1989 922® ruling.
  12. The item in the photo above is a custom shell holder and rail StevenB made by cutting down an early FCAM prototype. It is not a production item. The FCAM, which was discussed extensively here in an earlier thread, will be introduced at next week's Marine West show at Camp Pendleton, and at the SHOT Show next month. StevenB does not work for Mesa Tactical, but he helped us with the FCAM design.
  13. A few months ago, StevenB mentioned that we were working on some radical new products for the Benelli M4/M1014. Well, last month we began shipping on-gun shell holders for the M4/M1014 and the M2 Tactical, and this week we just put them on-line: These are machined from 6061-T6 aluminum and attach to the weapon at the top of the receiver, using the factory tapped rail holes. They can be purchased via the following link: Mesa Tactical Shell Holders for Benelli We would be happy to use this forum thread to address any questions you might have about these new products. [ 01-13-2006, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ]
  14. It will probably be available in January. It will appear on our website then.
  15. Just took a peek in this forum and found this thread bumped. These systems are in production now. Here are some preliminary prices: FCAM for Benelli M4 (black grip) $350.00 FCAM for Benelli M4 with 6 Shell Holder (black grip) $395.00 FCAM for Benelli M4 with 8 Shell Holder (black grip) $410.00 Each kit includes a ventral rail and a shorter side rail, in addition to a nylon forend grip. Additional rails and shell holder assemblies will also be available. We will probably be shipping these in January, in time for the SHOT Show. A little promo shot we did for the FCAM (as we call it): [ 11-17-2005, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ]
  16. Hang in there. StevenB describes a prototype shell holder solution we sent him in this thread: http://www.benelliusa.com/forums/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/2042.html These shell holders appear in our summer catalog, but we machined a batch of them with a bad dimension and had to scrap them. So we have improved the design and will be re-introducing them this winter.
  17. stevenb has been posting on this subject. The fancy system is described here: http://www.benelliusa.com/forums/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/1677 A more sedate idea is described here: http://www.benelliusa.com/forums/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/2042.html Our company is working on productizing both of these approaches.
  18. . [ 08-20-2005, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ]
  19. Looks like magazine extensions are banned in the US: http://www.weaponforums.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=177741
  20. In reviewing this issue, apparently I was incorrect: the BATFE has made some specific comments about 922® compliance. Read this: http://www.weaponforums.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=177741 So apparently the magazine extension is indeed banned.
  21. There's nothing in California law regarding magazine capacity, as long as it is under ten rounds. The California Assault Weapon Ban is fairly liberal as it applies to shotguns. Basically, only semi-autos with pistol grip AND folding stock are banned (or any semi-auto with a detachable magazine). However, there is still Federal law to contend with. The 1989 922® ruling on imported firearms limits the importation of semi-auto long guns in "sporting" configuration only. The BATFE has not been specific regarding which feature combinations are banned, but it seems folks have been using the 1994 AWB features definition as a rule of thumb. In this case, there is a definite limit of five rounds on an imported semi-auto with any two additional evil features. Since the pistol grip is one evil feature, you wouldn't be able to install the magazine extension if your shotgun also had a folding or telescoping stock. Meanwhile, apparently no one has ever been convicted of violating 922®.
  22. We recently cut down an M4 stock, since, as many of you (and the US Marines) have probably noticed, the factory stocks are invariably too long. Working on Benelli stocks is easier because they don't attach from the rear, so you don't have to worry about the hardware back there unless you are concerned about changing the sling loops for some reason. What we did was remove the buttpad, then mix up a batch of Bondo and pour it into the back of the stock while the stock was on the gun. After the Bondo set, we removed the stock and took it down to our favorite gunsmith, who for $85 cut two inches off the back of the stock, then fit and ground down a new buttpad. The buttpad was screwed into the Bondo. The result looks completely factory, just shorter. There are other materials besides Bondo you could use, like dense expanding foam or bedding glass.
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