GENELEO
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Thanks for the responses.
Euromutt, the ideas you suggest are valid and have given me much to consider. Assuming I lose the side saddle and retain the mag extension/light, what would be your ideas regarding these accessories mounted to a shotty utilizing a PG stock? Personally, my arguments for the PG stock (if ever needed in court) might be as follows:
1) It allows for greater control of the shotgun. After all, given the powerful nature of the 12 g. shotty, control should be of paramount importance and could be considered a "safety" benefit.
2) It allows for, IMHO, greater defense against a possible disarm attempt. This is due to the solid grip it affords (ie. it puts the hand/wrist closer to center mass).
3) It allows for greater one-handed manipulation of the shotgun, should the strong side become injured/useless during an HD encounter.
4) Simply put, for me, its more ergonomic vs a "standard" style stock and thus, allows me to better maintain consistent, accurate hits.
Anyway, Im taking all opinions very seriously as you have all made very good points. Thanks again.
With all the input on what "can" happen, and what the DA can or will do, THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER!!!! Don't go looking for the ads for 1-800-we-sue-for-you. Hire a firearms defense lawyer, who makes a living defending firearms cases only. They have the background and experience, and the "professional" witnesses that can save your neck, they are expensive, but they can save your home, and everything else you own.
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Hi guys,
I am a new member to the forum, and a new Benelli M2 field owner. I purchased a used 18" smoothbore tactical barrel for $50.00 at a local Scheels today! The price tag on the barrel said it was for a Benelli "M-90", but the barrel does not have a specific model number on it. It is definately a Benelli semi-auto barrel, though, and looks like the same barrel to an M1 Police Model.
The barrel does appear to fit, but my magazine tube is about an inch or two too short for the barrel to work. Is there some type of mag extension out there, or a different foregrip that will enable this barrel to work on my gun? Or am I SOL on what I perceived to be the deal of a lifetime. Any advice would be appreciated.
Can you post any pics?
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U.S.P.S will accept weapons, as long as they are sent from a FFL holder. It is a lot cheaper also. Get with a local FFL holder and see if he can help you, or better yet, let the dealer whom you bought it from should return it at his expense. I have returned weapons before, and the manufacturer actually re-imbursed me for shipping when they realised that I would no longer spend my hard earned money to buy they're firearms, then have to turn around and send a defective gun to them for repair, at my expense.
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Any of the Benelli's are a fine choice. Just as Cksh8me states, go buy some full load 00 Buck, at least 50 rds, and run it through your gun to "loosen" it up. After that you'll be surprised what she'll shoot.
As for your M4 purchase, there will always be something "newer", "better", "sexier' out there. Enjoy what you have, enjoy your time with your twins and their Scouts, nothing can replace that!!!
Mike
10-4!!!!! Thats what matters!
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If you don't like it there's something wrong with you. I have M1's, M2's,and an M4. I was smart enough to not buy an M3.
I shoot my M1 the most flatout bitchen gun. Grab a couple of boxes of some stout stuff and run it through your gun when new.
Keep the bolt lubed inside the carrier and light oil on the carrier and rails. Take it out and have fun.
I shoot 3 gun and M1's and M2's dominate with a rare M4 in the mix.
So what's wrong with the M-3? I have never had any problems with mine, I "feel lucky" to have one.
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I was wandering around on Gunbroker.com when I came across this M-3, 18" barrel.
I thought someone may be interested.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=122231618
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Thanks all. Sorry about the typo, I wish it will come with a ACOG.
Seems it just needs break in. will manually cycle it help with the break in?
I will report back after I hit the 200rd mark.
One more question, anyone tried Federal Low Recoil Buck shot with M4, will the low recoil stuff cycle the M4 ok?
Manualy cycling it will not apply the forces needed to the gun that is needed for breaking the gun in. You can not apply as much force to the parts as is applied when actually firing.
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Geneleo I see by your profile that you are a LEO so first, sincere thanks for your service. I'm curious though. Do you own a Saiga 12 or have you fired one? For reference sake I own both a Benelli and a Saiga 12.
If we are talking about self defense/combat situations my definition of "a decent" weapon is one that is 100% reliable. Capable of being fired fron ANY position after almost ANY kind of abuse. My plain jane unmodified Saiga meets these requirements. My Benelli, as much as I love it, does not.
Like AK's, Saigas are ugly as ****. Their finish is rough and the manufacturing tollerences can be sloppy but in my humble opinion they are a damn fine weapon. If I was a cop on a budget, responsible for buying my own weapon and wanted an auto it's exactly what I would buy.
Sorry......rant over
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, FOR THE THANKS, we seldom see it.
My duty shotgun is a Mossburg 590, it used to be a remington 870, and I have hundreds of rounds through my own Remington 1100, and my Benelli M-3.
I had the opportunity to shoot a friends Saiga at the range, it was about like the AK-47 that I'm familiar with from the military days, low on attention to detail as far as finish, and to me, ergonomics.
I just don't care for the State, basing ALL CRITERIA for selection of weapons on budget, not performance, reliability or quality, kind of like the military, lowest bidder contract (at least the military has MILSPEC). We traded in our Sigs for Glocks. I like both but I preferred Sig. As for shotguns, I can shoot all of the above mentioned well.
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10-4, I think some E-Bay'ers are a little crazy, I sold a synthetic stock set for a "Metric:rolleyes:" L1A1 and the price was driven up to $480.00 before the bidding ended. I expected $75.00.
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I thought that was what you have an index finger for, along with pulling the trigger.
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I have this safe:
http://grizzly.com/products/G9929
It's a decent 5 gun safe -- very sturdy. Fits nicely in my closet where it is bolted to a stud. I feel like I got a good deal for the $$$.
Also, I wanted a dial lock because I wanted the safe to be 100% mechanical, but not key opening. My concern with push pad or other system that requires electricity to operate is that I still want to be able to get to my guns if TSHTF and there is no power, batteries, etc.
On the digital lock, you have a (usually 9 volt, or a set of AA) batterys concealed within the locking assy. Mine has a "back-up" key hole hidden within the locking assy. that uses a special factory key as well. If the battery fails, I can replace the battery, or use the hidden key. Also, mine has a "permanent factory combination" as a back-up, in case your memory is like mine, you can punch it in and open the safe. I keep the "back-up" and the combo that I have selected in a safe deposit box, along with the serial number of the safe, if you ever lose the combination, send the safe manufacturer a certified letter, with a notorized statement showing the serial number proving the safe is yours, and they will send you the "permanent factory" combination. Also with the "hidden key" if you have a fire, you can open it with the key, as the keypad will be burned away, as would be a standard combo lock, and you would not have to hire a locksmith.
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Nevermind, I found one at my nearest Sportsman's Warehouse and it fit!
Just curious, (or nosy) what did it set you back? Thanks.
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Keep in mind that most Benelli owners never seek out these forums, because they are quite happy with the performance of their shotguns.
Forum such as these will always draw a disproportional number of customers who are having one problem or another.
In the whole scheme of things, the problem to ownership ratio must be quite insignificant.
As someone who has had prior experiences with the SBE, you have already proven that your shooting style and form are very much in sync with the Inertia drive's way of doing things.
It is highly unlikely that you will have any problems whatsoever, but on the off chance that you do, you can rest assured that Benelli CS is second to none.
AMEN!!!!!!!!
(To get "at least 10 characters").
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Looking for a gun safe. Don't need a lot of storage, just 3 or 4 shotguns and a couple of hand guns. What do you guys recommend?
Check out SAM's Wholesale Club, they carry a Winchester or Remington "Name brand" that is fire and security rated, and is really resonable, and looks good.
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Amazing Russ! "Finder's Keepers" aside ... and not to rain on your parade ... but I wonder what the legalize is here though. Will there be any problems with serial numbers and government registrations, etc, etc? Is the gun "registered" to the original owner? While the oppressive and sometimes ridiculous laws change almost daily here in Jersey, we've been so regulated that you technically needed a written "transfer" slip for your buddy to hand you his firearm just to let you try out his gun on the target range! (at least at one time) It's nearly impossible to keep up with the changes in the laws, so I have NO IDEA how things work out west ... but I'd check into the situation so you're not trying to fly out hunting somewhere, or get stopped by a futuristic game warden and wind up in handcuffs because the serial number doesn't show up in his hand held Dell super computer which tapped into the Orwellian central database. LOL
The guy must have been a real classic Bozo. Walking on the ice WITH his gun (guaranteed to take you right to the bottom)... safety off! And then LEAVES it there after he goes through??? No way on earth I leave that gun there! I bet you never realized how dangerous that retrieve was (I would have never thought about it) ... waterproof shells, no safety, you could have blown yourself in two if the trigger snagged something. You're a lucky guy Russ.
Registration? What is that? Florida, the free state, not to be confused with Kalifornia, NJ, NY, even though it is becoming more liberal every day!!
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I am in the process of working up a quote to build the trunions and barrels for Florida law enforcement on these shotguns. It will be my first in depth analysis of them (Saigas). Having said that, it is safe to say that if FL has given the nod to departmental use and acquisition of them, they must be fairly decent.
If Fla. L/E is looking at them, you can bet the choice is being made on a "Budget" basis. Not because it is a decent weapon.
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In dealing with my insurance company after the theft of several firearms, "THE GOOD HANDS" people adjuster stated that "the ONLY reference we use, and most insurance companies use, is the BLUE BOOK OF GUN VALUES, as it is based on actual market values, not some so-called experts opinion". Also, invest in the additional insurance available through the NRA, it is reasonable in cost.
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Geneleo I agree price is not cheap. My only concern with the Pelican is that I have multiple stocks for my M4 so which one do I cut the pelican for? Anyone know if they make a 1720 with regular non cut type foam and if so where can I get one?
Mine came with foam that I cut myself, or now the newer ones may come with the "pluck" type foam. I believe I got mine from Galls, a police supply in Lexington, Kentucky, and I got some from I believe Sniper Country Emporium. I've had mine for several years. Another good case is the Doskocil "All Weather" series, for about 1/3 the price of the Pelican, or the Storm cases, or the Starlight cases, all are good, with varying prices.
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I've been terying to get my hands on the benelli case and have been unsuccesfulo. My local gun club did a torture test on a pelican case and now I think I'm gonna get the Pelican 1720. Any forum members have experience with Pelican products?
10-4, I use Pelican cases for optics (binoculars, range finder) a takedown over & under (SKB & Baikal), and my 700P's, (1 in 308, 1 in 223). You can drive over them and not hurt the contents. The only downside is the cost, but you do get the protection!!
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Most of the elastic band type shell holders will work OK. I use them on my 870, 1100, M-3, and a short double barrel. After a couple of years, they will have to be replaced due to the fabric / elastic deteriorating. Watch the gun catalogs, and even China-Mart, you can usually pick one up for 5 or 6 bucks.
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Hair dryer will not cut it. Home Depot has them for about $19.
I just use the kitchen stove burner (gas). You can control the heat, and it is cheaper that the heat gun, as the Loc-Tite heats up to the proper temp, it will smoke, before there is enough heat to hurt anything. It only takes a few seconds.
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I have a 6 shot black nylon type sidesaddle that mounts to my stock with velcro on my M4. It is my HD and range fun toy. The reason I like the extra shells is that with the local increase in home invasions here in Phoenix its always seems to be 3-4+ assailants.The benelfit of having it on the stock is great as it wont strip or fade your reciever and does not nearly throw off the balance of the gun like one mounted on a reciever. I got mine for like 15 bucks at a local gunshow and really like it.
I agree!! More and more the thugs are standing up and shooting it out with LEO's, whom they KNOW are heavily armed. So what would be the chance of them standing there ground against a homeowner, who may not be trained, OR WILLING to stop the thugs NOW!!
Just my opinion.
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Don't forget the new Kalfornia laws.
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We just launched a brand new Benelli USA site. Check it out, and let us know what you think.
For all of us old farts like me, black on black is very hard to see. The old site was much better.
Looking to buy shotgun number 2
in Benelli
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Go for the 590A1, if you go Mossberg. The 590 has the plastic trigger assembly, like the 500's had. Replace the magazine spring with a good aftermarket spring as the OEM spring with the reduced diameter coils on each end will bend over and kink, which may reduce magazine capacity. On our "duty" shotguns, after a year of "cruiser" carry, you can take the mag cap off and remove the mag end cap, and the mag spring won't extend out of the mag tube. It needs a good heavy duty spring.