Sukhoi_fan
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armslist.com or maybe someplace like arfdotcom, or if you're wanting the max premium, gunbroker.com
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A fool and his money are soon partying.
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With a collapsible stock and NP3 coating? Where?
I didn't say with a telescoping stock or NP3 coating, I said TWO hi-cap semi-auto TACTICAL shotguns with suitable rails which are not inferior and requiring replacement (and with PG stock, 3 check riser pieces, and 3 different LOP butt pads). The FN SLP is equivalent to the M4 Benelli, and if I did 4473s I would have gotten two for the amount I have in ONE M4 (and not be the least be concerned with 922r compliance). Plus the 22" FN SLP is an EIGHT round magazine, not seven.
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I'm sure it will but $2400 is the going rate , not sure how much more it will go up not much .
But it is 922r compliant and has the full factor tube and fully collapsible factory stock .
For that kind of money one can buy TWO FN SLP Tactical shotguns.
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If the manufacturer does it's kosher, but if a private party does the exact same thing it's not kosher?
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If you're wanting to get the max premium on your OEM tube you should definitely list it on gunbroker. Folks on dedicated gun model forums which are largely unmoderated such as this one are always going to point out more economical options to inordinately high priced items. For that reason the 'greater fool' theory won't work here, and on strictly moderated dedicated gun forums you'd be unlikely to get one iota of interest on such an item.
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Spoke with Todd this afternoon and he advised me that he'd ship out my fire control pkg on the 23rd when he gets back from the Shot Show. From what he described it all sounds great, he said with the FFT fire control the M4 trigger pull is reduced ~1.5# compared to stock. Looking forward to having compliance with my OEM handguards.
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I had the same issue on the M4 I bought lightly used. One of my local gun shops/authorized Benelli dealer ordered those parts in for me. Be advised of sticker shock.
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Here are the disadvantages to the Saiga 12 from my perspective:
-A Saiga 12 magazine hangs off the bottom, in the way, a HUGE magazine if you want capacity matching other hi-cap shotguns - this severely interferes with fire and maneuver operation under various circumstances one is subject to finding one's self in; I don't care what people imagining themselves playing cowboys and Indians envision themselves doing, such a large protuberance does NOT lend itself to serious tactical use - IT'S A HINDRANCE.
-BCG does not lock open on last shot fired on a Saiga, adding precious seconds to reload time in a *real world* tactical scenario; since BCG locks open upon last shot fired with most (if not all other) semi-auto shotguns in the middle of a storm one can still *immediately* drop a round in the ejection port and be back to a ready to fire condition *immediately* - can't do this with a Saiga.
-A tube magazine (including on pump shotguns) can be reloaded on the fly, keeping the mag topped off or close to topped off while doing the shoot and scoot; with a Saiga one is very limited in their tactical approach because everything revolves around "How many rounds do I have left in this magazine, and where do I need to be to make the mag change?". Being caught exposed while doing a mag change could be fatal.
-If one wants to change up type of ammo on the fly, that's easy to do with a Benelli, without even having to fire the round presently chambered - no way can one change ammo type on the fly with a Saiga, the magazine must be replaced.
-How many Saiga magazines can you carry for a total of how many rounds?? A 12 ga. bandoleer holds 50-55 rounds, so conceivably one could easily dozens (fifty to hundreds) of rounds of 12 ammo *of various types*; think of it this way: two bandoleers = 100 rounds, to get to 100 extra rounds for a Saiga 12 one would need to have five REALLY huge 20 round drums, ten huge 10 round magazines, or some combination thereof - how and where would one carry all those magazines??
IMO, Saiga 12s (once having had the appropriate mods to remedy reliability issues) are perfect for ambushes and fixed location defenses with the 20 round drum when utilized as part of a fire team, but as a serious standalone tactical weapon they suck for the reasons listed above.
I'm actually a big fan of Saiga Shotguns because of the magazines. Magazine fed shotguns definitely have the advantage over tube fed. If Tube feeding was better than Mags than all types of military firearms would be tube fed. I've just had my fill of Saiga's for now, plus they are a big shotgun. This is my latest S12 Build, and as you can see the Mag does make it rather large
A Benelli Shotgun just seems like it maybe the next fun platform to build on, and I'd like to get better at loading tube mags, so thats the direction Im going
I just wish I could find more info about them as far as tactical uses and modification's goI don't quite understand how adding more weight to a inertia action shotgun could make it unreliable. I see lots of 3-gun guys using m1's & m2's and they have very long magazine tubes (with shells loaded that would add alot if weight). Are these guys doing something to their shotguns to make them reliable with the weight they've added, or is the extra weight really not that much of an issue? Reliability is certainly a Top Priority in my book!
Thank You to everyone whos helping teach me the ways of the Benelli! They seem to be great shotguns and I think I'll have alot of fun with them. I really appreciate all the help!
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How many rounds had you fired total thru your M4 before you snapped a piston?
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A clamp design would work well if it was attached to the rear barrel hanger so it wouldn't interfere with disassembly.
Of course that would be ideal, but so far no one willing to manufacture such a device has come forth with one. I'd be willing to pay a little more (even 2-3 times as much for the right piece) for one that worked right and was robust. Due to very low demand (equaling low sales being not enough to cover development costs as it would necessarily be strictly a M4 application) I just don't see that happening (unless we can talk the nice people at FFT into doing something like that for us
).Under what circumstances do yo see yourself needing to do a quick takedown of your M4? Why couldn't you carry an allen wrench (for the KZ rail) in your kit for those times?
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Have you considered the KZ tri-rail which has five lugs instead of four?
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Lots of anosognosics* on this thread. lol
Merry Christmas to all, including all you anosognosics!
*"There's something wrong but you'll never know what it is."[h=1][/h]
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The 'collectible' aspect of this operates largely on the 'greater fool' concept.
As for your tube extension, the TacStar extension does the exact same thing, only adds one round. You may want to try snipping off coils of your magazine spring to see if that helps. Of course the ultimate solution, the only one you can count on, is to get the appropriate FL mag tube and spring from DMW, Socomguy, or Kip.
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...proves that the AR platform is the best out there and far superior to ANYTHING else.
lulz...there are some seriously deluded people in the world. The sort of failures seen in the video in the OP just are not seen in the FAL, AK, SKS, or M-14 (M-1A) under circumstances which one would expect where a weapon's maintenance is neglected for days/weeks at a time (which one can fully expect in a SHTF/emergency scenario) - and not to mention the problems associated with using a mouse caliber in the first place.
the M16 is the most...efficient rifle ever used by the military.hahahahaha - this said about a rifle that sh*ts where it eats...some people will make up ANYTHING to justify their inexcusable failure to exercise intelligence or sound judgment
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I was wondering where his helmet was, but I do know that not all troops wear them.
I did see him hit the FA a number of times, but not consistently. I don't think anyone was behind the camera, it was merely fixed on him apparently.
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...POS. (hint: it sh*ts where it eats)
Good thing he had comrades around him to keep the bad guys away, otherwise he would have been toast for sure.
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5+1 .
Beretta website shows "4+1" under the specifications tab - http://www.berettausa.com/products/tx4-storm-12-ga/
The FN SLP is still a much better value, unless you're willing to spend nearly twice as much to get a M4 hi-cap and 922® compliant.
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wow so buds does not carry the gun anymore! but i was going to purchase one this past june and it was 999.00 now they had it hiked up to 1240.00 wow
A number of distributors are offering the FN SLP in the 8 round magazine version for under $1,000, and it's the best value out there in a quality hi-cap gas shotty.
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According to Beretta, the TX4 will accept a magazine extension to hold more than four rounds. Their demo video shows an eight round setup.
From the video: "(Extended) Magazine tubes are only available for military and law enforcement use."
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idk where you got that ridiculous number but budsgunshop has the tx4 for 899 or 999.00
I got that ridiculous number for that ridiculous shotgun from this ridiculous website - http://www.berettausa.com/products/tx4-storm-12-ga/
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Limited to a four round magazine and MSRP at $1,450?? Screw that.
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Good luck with that Wayne. Something tells me that you and Pol Pot would get along initially, then not so much when they're pulling your teeth out with pliers.
I envision a world where internet spammers are killed like terrorists. Hellfire missiles launched from a Predator drone to kill the trash living in his mother's basement.
QFT +1
Gungrabbers and their ilk are no more than useful idiots who will be lined up against a wall or alongside a mass grave and executed via a firing squad by their Communist masters when they've outlived their usefulness (per KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov - if you seek a genuine education into the mindset of the Communists, then there are several Yuri Bezmenov interview videos to be seen on youtube).
And BTW 'wayne123', GFY with a live grenade.
ETA: I avoid gungrabbing Commies 'cause they're a source of tyranny, terror, and hatred.
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Is it well lubed?
M4 vs FNH SLP?
in Benelli
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IMO there's not a thing wrong with the FN SLP, I consider it an equivalent to the Benelli M4 at the very least. If I did 4473s I could've had two hi-cap (8+1+1) FN SLPs for what I have in one hi-cap (7+1+1), 922r compliant Benelli M4 with a picatanny rail that doesn't eat mounts.