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    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    no worries. You guys make good stuff, if I see a hole in the market, maybe it's an opportunity for a trob09 rail...(just joking, my business is in a different industry...)

     

    i found the velcro options to be less stable. In one instance, the Velcro card ended up flapping around as I moved, and falling off. I found this to be exacerbated when trying to switch cards in the middle of a stress event. I like Velcro, but I'm not sold on this as a solution for carrying extra rounds on a shotgun. Other are sure to have different opinions.

     

    i look forward to seeing your new offering. As I say, you make great stuff.

     

    Thanks for your feedback. What make and model of velcro and shot cards did you experience this with?

     

    The Esstac cards + Industrial strength Velcro have been rock solid for us over the 7 years we've been using them.

     

    Has anyone else experienced less than stable performance using velcro cards?

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    But this has served to confirm to me that no Scalarworks rail with integrated rigid shell carrier is in planning/in the works. That's cool. I'm happy with my rmr rail and the aim point mount for my AR and I'm grateful to scalarworks for bringing cool stuff to market. I just wish an all-in-one rail, rmr mount (on the forward portion of the rail) and she'll carrier was an available option.

     

    Thanks for your understanding.

     

    We have some really cool new Benelli products in the late stages of development, but not a side saddle. If we ever do try to tackle that, whatever we release would have to be close in weight and profile to the soft velcro ones, while bringing something extra to the table.

     

    If we may ask: what did you dislike about the soft solutions, or conversely, what do you prefer about the standard hard ones?

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    http://www.skdtac.com/Esstac-Shotgun-Card-p/ess.106.htm

     

    I don't have the heart to stick anything to, or bolt anything to my receiver, so I have a Bandoleer.

     

    A bit of acetone will take off any adhesive without leaving a mark which is more than can be said to most anything metal that is pressed against a receiver, and as the photos we'll post this week will show; it's very slick looking when all is said and done. Thanks for posting that link.

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    http://www.3gungear.com/

     

    I'd recommend this system over all the hard mount options. It's lighter, does the same job and can crush flat when not being used. Best of all, it is a lot cheaper than other options.

     

    Wow, Thanks for that link, SD! That looks like a great alternative to the Esstac cards. We wholeheartedly agree that these soft options are better in every way to the machined or plastic ones we've seen so far.

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but what do you guys recommend for side saddles when using the scalarworks rail? I have used the Mesa side saddles before but I could not find a side saddle for the M4 that didn't have a top rail.

     

    Thanks

     

    This is absolutely the right place for that question.

     

    We personally use and recommend Esstac shotgun cards. All you need to attach them to your receiver is some industrial strength velcro.

     

    We'll post some pics this coming week to illustrate. The benefits of this system over rigid side saddles are numerous: lighter, lower profile, removable, compatible with M4 mag pouches so you can carry tonnes of them, and lastly cheaper.

     

    Rigid side saddles add a lot of bulk and weight to a shotgun and those are the sorts of things that we started Scalarworks to eliminate.

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    I could see it being an issue on a long range precision optic. However, on this combination, your iron sights are literally co-witnessing the RMR's dot in the lower quadrant of the aperture. Plus, even if the dot was off, centering up a target in the center of the optic is going to likely result in hits at shotgunning range.

     

    Is it perfect? No, of course not. Is it better than having to manually adjust? I'd never take my hand off the fire controls or support to adjust an optic in a bad situation. I didn't care for the controls of the adjustable model RMR either. It wasn't as intuitive as say the rheostat style knob on the T1.

     

    Thanks for your great M4 pics and feedback on the RM01.

     

    We've been running RM01's for over a year on various Benellis and they are fantastic for all of the reasons you mentioned.

     

    Yes, it's true that when shooting from dark into light the dot intensity isn't ideal but it's still adequate to make good shots. We've encountered this scenario many times in training. Especially when shooting from a covered firing line or in some fanciful 3-Gun stages.

     

    Incidentally, this is the Achilles heel of the Dual Power battery-free RMRs like the RM03-04-05-08. We've found this problem to be far worse on the Dual Power models and pretty much a deal breaker for us.

     

    After careful consideration, we've decided to bundle the adjustable RM06 with both our BOR/RMR and upcoming LDM/RMR Quick-Detach Picatinny mounts. These are the main reasons we opted for the RM06 over all of the rest:

     

     

    • 3.25MOA dot size is perfect for anything from 0-300m
    • Has Auto-Intensity feature like the RM01: Simply press both +/- buttons simultaneously and release.
    • Can be switched off, unlike RM01.
    • Has none of the drawbacks of the Dual Power models.

     

    Basically it encompasses what's great about the RM01 and adds manual overrides for those that want them.

     

    We're also pleased to announce that our BOR/RMR+RM06 bundles will be priced at only $639! We'll be posting an ETA once Trijicon gets us a delivery date.

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    Posted · Edited by Scalarworks

    Thanks for the information. I hear ya on being cautious. Everyone is a sad panda when they have to go get helicoils installed in their receiver to fix the stripped out threads.

     

    I have the same preference for RMR's. For my personal two, I went with the RM01's. Just let them burn away for a year or two, and swap batteries.

     

    Thanks, SD. We like the RM01 as well. The 3.25MOA dot feels just right.

     

    To answer your earlier question about helicoils; no, the BOR/RMR doesn't have helicoils. The #6-32 holes are just plugged before anodizing. We cold form the threads and the BOR/RMR is made from ultra strong 7075-T6.

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    Scalarworks, is it correct that you do not need the Benelli Rail Washers for your rail?

     

    Also, on my two (both NP3+) I use the following RMR. Nickel plated and no batteries required :)

     

    Trijicon RMR Nickel Boron Dual Illum. Sight - 9.0 MOA Green Dot RM05-C-700065

     

    That's correct. No washers needed. The current BOR/RMR comes with its own screws. It no longer uses the proprietary factory Benelli M4 screws.

     

    Thanks for share your RMR choice.

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    So now that I have my mount, who has a good price on the sight?

     

    We're an Authorized Trijicon Reseller and we will be offering Trijicon RMR + BOR/RMR bundles at a discounted price soon.

     

    Please sound off with what RMR model you currently use with your BOR/RMR or want to use with a BOR/RMR in the near future.

     

    Our favorites are the LED 3.25MOA models RM01 (automatic) and RM06 (adjustable). What are yours?

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    Posted · Edited by Scalarworks

    I went for 16 in lbs without issue. 10 just felt way too light for me. Scalarworks may jump in and say why they elected for less torque than the factory specifies.

     

    Thanks for posting up those pics!

     

    We were overly cautious... We didn't want to be responsible for anyone stripping their receivers and we found that 10 was sufficient. We will probably revise that up in the future.

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    Got these yesterday from Australia.

    It's been a long fight with customs, but most of the parts are there. I still have to get the 'adjustable' stock over to him and a few other minor pieces. The M4's been used to kill a whole slew of bad piggies so far. We'll see if the hits go up with the RMR in place. So far, not a single failure has occurred in the field.

     

    That trigger group is grown by the one true God on the Elysian fields using a heretofore unused incantations before I magicked it down to Australia. I gentley wrapped them in wax paper before passing them along to you -- the fortunate consumer.

     

    Is that a Geiselle Hammer? Why yes it is, and a FFT Trigger and Disconnector too. But wait–they didn’t add…yes they did, yes they did indeed. They added a TTI Shell Elevator. Then before you know it, you notice the safety has been modified and significantly easier to use.

     

    Awesome, SD. Thanks for sharing!

     

    Who'd you use for the NP3?

    BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4

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    Thanks for your 8-40 screw perspective.

    The M4x.75 and the 8-40 are virtually identical to within a few thousandths of an inch dimensions. It is one of the unusual ASE - metric crossovers; not surprisingly both easily cross-fitting into standard screw-checker devices. It seems odd that every other threaded surface on every Benelli shotgun I am familiar with is metric, not ASE threads.

     

    It didn't make sense to use at first. Then we realized that a Picatinny rail on a shutgun is a quintessentially American idea and an Italian engineer who did some research in 1998 while designing the M4 would have likely deferred to how these things were mounted to thin walled receivers in America. Namely, #8-40 weaver rail screws (the commercial predecessor to the M-1913 standard).

     

    We only finally accepted this once we got confirmation from someone senior at Benelli USA.

     

    But like you said, they are very close to the metric, and lots of people run metric just fine.

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