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Uno, you've exceeded your PM storage quota.

 

BTW, that upside down plane is the finest aerobatic prop job ever produced with NO expense spared - composite construction, titanium undercarriage, forged magnesium linkages, 360-460hp nine cylinder radial engine, roll rate of 400 degrees/second, rated at +12g/-9g, optional Zvezda ejection seats, etc. - it is the pinnacle of aeronautical engineering and is highly unlikely EVER to be surpassed by a production aircraft (with respect to aerobatic aircraft). The Argentine Air Force utilizes Su-29s as trainers. Sukhois are the Ferraris of the sky.

 

Jurgis Kairys, one of the engineers on the Sukhoi design team, pushes his Su-31, watch him fly it sideways -

 

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Test mule or production? I'll ask a relative about it. He does this sort of thing for a living (pentagon this vs. That fighter jet think tank)

 

The Su-35 (Su-27 family of aircraft) with 3D TVC is in production, the Su-37 (asymmetrical 2D TVC) was their first TVC test mule and it was put in service in '96. Even their Su-34 fighter-bombers are being retrofitted with upgraded 3D TVC engines. The Russians first asymmetrical 3D TVC was an in-service MiG-29 that they simply installed new engines into in 2004, several years before the cRaptor was put into service.

 

Bort 156, the original asymmetrical 3D TVC MiG-29, capable of nearly 180 degrees angle of attack (flies tail first, @ 3:00 in video below), in service since '04 -

 

 

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Interesting! Recalling conversations I had with my Uncle a long time ago, the F22 still stomps it. Simply because the Su's do not have the BVR capability against the semi-stealth F22 that it has against them. The F22 is not a dogfighter, nor would it devolve into a dogfight likely, based on the scenarios they ran at the Pentagon. Simply put, the Su is dead before it ever sees the F22.

 

Now, as for fun-to-fly, aerobatics, etc., I believe the Su takes the cake.

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FWIW, the Russians have been doing tailslides since the '80s, it wasn't until the introduction of the cRaptor that any MIC aircraft were able to do tailslides since all MIC aircraft would flameout if a pilot did anything which caused a negative pressure at the intake.

 

Perhaps you're unaware that a one off Su-27 (bort P-42) STILL holds all the time to altitude records (excepting the SS to 20,000 meters record still held by the one-off F-15 Streak Eagle) since 1987 - the SS to 15,000 meter time to altitude ET for P-42 is 70 seconds.

 

The Russians have an entirely different mindset when it comes to aircraft. This Su-27 was crashed one day and flew the next day (right main gear would not lock and give a green light) -

 

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Don't kid yourself, the Russians are fully capable of designing and producing superior quality BVR AA missiles and other types of missiles. Are you familiar with the Sunburn and the Moskit aka Onyx (Indian joint venture name: Brahmos)? And apparently your uncle isn't telling you about the sims where they got spanked by the Su-27.

 

Also, the west has nothing comparable to the Su-34 fighter-bomber (NATO codename Fullback, Su-27 family) which is currently produced with 3D asymmetrical TVC. The Su-34s built in the 80s and 90s are being upgraded with current 3D TVC engines (15% more output than original engines). The west has nothing comparable to the Su-34 which can fly terrain hugging at mach speed, can remain on station for up to 12 hours with crew accommodations (cockpit is roomier than a Tu-160 bomber cockpit), is configured to act as a mini-AWACS directing other fighters, AND can engage in a knifefight should the need arise -

 

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