mudhen
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You seem to be very concerned with this topic; maybe we don't know everything about 'Butch'
As to my avatar, the Duke was very cool;
"The Italian Renaissance was a time when great men had great ideas and lived with zest and style. The Duke of Montefeltro was a Renaissance man who built Urbino's Ducal Palace to house the city's treasures. Today, a firearms Renaissance is underway in Urbino-home of Benelli Armi."
mudhen - CA
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Not much I think. Benelli parts are just so odd. It's always been an issue for Benelli owners. I don't know if 121 parts are compatible, I doubt it, but I don't know.
With barrels being sooooo expensive most are stuck with the barrel the gun came with, new stocks are pricey so we can't just buy new ones for $69 like you can for a Remington 870, etc.
Maybe sell the parts on E-Bay? I bet you could get a few bucks for a bolt assembly if it floats the 4th shell.
You may want to contact Benelli to see if there is anything they can do. Maybe start with a Benelli dealer to see if you can order a new receiver?
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Growing up in Missouri, many foks built tree stands or used tree stands for turkey. They got their birds.
I move around too much to have any interest in one.
Also, I am unsure of the effect calling from a treestand would have on an approaching tom. I think he would look up, and you would be busted...
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Hmmmm, look a little harder and maybe use a little of the gray matter?
For example;
An SBE sold for $800 on another website the other day with a 26" bbl & 28" bbl. The buyer can (as he stated he would) sell one of the barrels for $300 and get the SBE for $500 net.
My buddy just sold a nice H&K SBE for $450 the other day. It needed an ejector cleaning, but it was in 95% condition. I told him to keep it, but he refused. I refused it at $400, I have 3 already.
I recently sold a like new SBE with mercury recoil reducer, slug barrel, mag extension kit, Sure Cycle mag kit, and Kicks turkey choke for $1000 even. Sell the slug barrel for $375 easy, recoil reducer for $30 easy, the mag extension kit for $50 easy, mag kit for $20 easy, and the Kicks tube for $35 easy, and a two year old SBE went for $490 net.
You just gotta do the work yourself......
You can't just click gunsamerica or gunbroker and expect miracles....
mudhen - CA
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The lower receiver is the FFL part, so you will need to have an FFL, or buy it through an FFL holder. Given they are the FFL part, I have not seen them anywhere on E-Bay. I do recall they run around $350-$400, but I cannot recall where I saw that price.
The barrel will run around $300 used, $400 for new.
The buttstock can be had for $50-$60 in synthetic, maybe a bit more for decent wood, $241 if you buy it from Brownells!! I have seen used SBE wood stocks on E-Bay.
With used SBE's around for $400-$500, you maybe better off parting out an old one if your parts are in better shape.
I just saw the first SBE II's for $999 on line - wow, that didn't take long!!!
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I remember now, the slug SBE II.
Yeah, the 28" may be a bit long, but I bet it will work fine on everything.
Rhino was the only company I found that had actually tested their choke on the SBE II, not just repacking the Beretta Optima Plus as a Crio Choke. Merely fitting the gun and producing acceptable patterns are two different subjects.
Call Jeff H. at Terror if you want - he is a great guy - I use his mag spring kit on all my guns. He can't get the SBE II to pattern for crap on turkeys yet, but he is working on a new choke design system to change that.
Oh yeah, the 3.5" in the Win Ext far outperforms the 3" version for turk loads, especially in #6's which gives about 50 more pellets.
For ducks loads, nah, I only shoot fast 3.5" big pellets in the wind on geese or big ducks.
mudhen - CA
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I've had 2-3 real ftf's due to bolts not closing in 15 years of shooting Benellis (maybe 35,000+- rounds?).
All were caused by cheap steel shot and rain where the unspent cheap powder gunks up the chamber mouth. I hate cheap steel shot with the crappy round flat powder particles!
I would estimate 99.99% of bolt closure errors are user caused. Carrying on sling is a prime offender as it's so easy to nudge the bolt out of battery. Weak-shouldering can also cause lock-up issues.
Buy a new recoil spring if the problem persists....
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1) The Monte is a good functional gun. What else is there to say? It goes bang when I pull the trigger and it cycles a new shell quickly. Nice and light.
2) How does anyone, other than the buyer, answer this subjective question?
3) Both guns listed are gas and shoot differently than the inertia Monte. The BGH has a suspect history. The Monte is long and skinny, the gassers are short and fat. The BGH is over a pound heavier and the 391 is at least 3-4 oz heavier.
I think the real question is; can the 391/BGH compete with the Monte?....
The best answer is to own one of each....
mudhen - CA
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Good. Yes. Yes.
mudhen - CA
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Just curious, what barrel did you discard in favor of the 28"?
1) I look right down the receiver top when I shoot, so any rail, no matter how flat, would be in the way for me. I'd just use a Weaver and remove it for waterfowl.
2) Everyone I have ever known that tried optics for turks, has asked for an allen wrench while still in turkey camp. Sure, every once in a while it might be nice, but I'd prolly lose 1-2 birds a year with a scope, so I pass on any optics. I need to see what's going on all around the bird; maybe a hen is right behind him, maybe a better tom is nearby? I can see that some guns are so inaccurate that a scope might help, but my SBE's have all been dead on so far.
3) I only tried 7-8 aftermarket $60-$100 chokes in the SBE II, so I'm no expert, but the only one that even remotely performed the way I wanted was the 1.5" .660 from Rhino + Win Ext #6's. Terror was the worst of them all.
As for what shell goes with what tube, you will have to ask the manufacturer of the choke, not guys on the internet. Some companies like Comp-n-Choke make turkey tubes only for lead, but you would be far safer contacting each of them directly.
mudhen - CA
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My SBE II shoots dead, dead, on. So have all my SBE's going back to 1991.
The Crio causing a gun to be 'off' is silly. I wish a gunsmith would just say 'I don't know' a little more often.
Your buddy deserved to lose the two toms for not patterning his gun prior to going afield. He caused the misses, not the gun. Guns don't miss, people miss....
Many do not know where to aim a Benelli shotgun to get it to hit where you want it to. I have patterned maybe 15 Benellis and all pattern turkey loads about the same. Maybe because I use the same choke type in all?
I aim at the base of the neck, and the pattern seems to cover the upper neck and head area evenly. If you aim at the top part of the head, you risk a miss, especially at close ranges when your pattern is so tight.
I won't say patterning a Benelli is easy. They are fickle. It took me 6-7 tubes + 4-5 different shells to figure out what my SBE II liked the best.
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Mine's all beat up now, even with the plastic swivels, from just a few turkey hunts.
No big deal, but I expected so much more from a $1500 gun....... (
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No, if you are going to strip the film off, that's just illogical. Wait for an SBE II in matte.
You are going to pay an extra $100-$150 for the camo and then pay $??? (I'm guessing $200) to strip and reblue the gun
I did not like the Max 4 at first, but I got used to it real quick. I think the indoor flo lighting makes it look too yellow, but in natural light, it looks fine to me.
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To the contrary, I think any major gun news should be relevant to firearm enthusiasts, good work.
I have hear they closed, but I have also heard they are moving to a new location.
I'm guessing they are gone or being sold again.
Tucker, please contact Ithaca and set the record straight, you have until 8:00 a.m. tomorrow should you choose to accept this assignment....
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Benellis are not supposed to cycle light loads.
Many do. All of mine do, but all were broken in with turkey loads.
I would start with a new recoil spring from Wolffe springs. I recall they have light to heavy springs.
You may have to try www.surecycle.com aafter that.
Or just use a heavier light loads - maybe Gold Medal? or something heavier.
I'd ask Drundel...
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Watcha looking for? Factory or aftermarket?
Yep, they are pretty hard to find on the net:
www.briley.com (100's in stock)
www.kicks-ind.com (High Flyer is a good tube)
www.cabelas.com (several brands)
www.wingsupply.com (several brands)
www.turkeyhuntingsecrets.com (heavy Comp-n-Choke - many in stock)
www.trulockchokes.com (many love this guy)
www.surecycle.com (Terror Choke tubes ask for Jeff)
www.wadwizard.com (another cult favorite)
www.choketube.com (Carlson - some great new Crio chokes)
That's most of the ones I know of.
E-bay sometimes has the factory tubes cheap.
Note - the Crio choke is the same as the Beretta Optima Plus choke.
mudhen - CA
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muckhen?
Ok, tuckersmedicatedpads, it's on brother....
I know of 3-4 wardens that shoot SBE's in the field, they know most guns inside & out, I garrontee you that if they hear you shoot 4 shells, and they find JB weld on the bolt, you will lose your SBE.
It's not worth it to me to maybe lose the gun...
muckhen - CA
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Butch, that is what I have always heard about the .50. I like the variety of loads available.
Guys like Shockey shoot .50, 100 gr FFF, and 300 gr Noslers at everything. He said there was no reason to change.
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I'd look around www.cabelas.com at the various CVAs & NEFs. I'd buy the best one you can afford.
I'm sure the CVA is a good gun, but I'm starting to hear more about the NEF. I doubt most would test the limit to ever wear out a hinged ML.
Ok Tuckeverlasting, let's hear why you are in love with the .45. I've got a .50 Omega SS laminate and I love everything about it. I can't see a reason to switch unless you have reinvented ML'ing
I'm hearing some poor field reports on the PB's with 150 FFF. I'm leaning towards something from Nosler and/or Win Plats. I've still got to test many loads this summer.....
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The rule is actually Federal, not state, and only applies to the conservation snow goose hunting season that is authorized by the Feds, but I can understand the desire to float a shell for spring snows.
An extended magazine tube would give you more shells though - they come in 2-shot & 4-shot & the kit includes a longer spring.
I think the floating option was changed in around 1999-2000. You can fill the groove with JB weld and polish out or have a welder plug the groove.
If you get caught floating a shell and you have modified your Benelli, you will likely lose it to the warden, they read these sites daily and know all the tricks.
And yes, double dipping is all about ice cream....
mudhen - CA
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Why would you want us 'duck hunters' to discuss floating a fourth shell?
Shall we discuss going over limit, shooting lead, double dipping, etc. as well?....
mudhen - CA
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Those comments were probably from me.
Jeff @ Terror hates the Crio/Optima Plus choke system - he is working to redesign it for his own choke tubes. He cannot get good patterns and there are some bulging issues.
Benellis & Berettas tend to have thin barrel walls at the choke. Tight chokes like the Terror .655 can bulge and cause the barrel to bulge if shot with very large hard shot like steel BBB's.
The main culprit is high volume snow goose shooters who love BBB's and shoot lots 'o shells.
There is no bulge problem for 99.99% of us who do not shoot high volume of this large shot. The only bulging issues I have ever heard of came from snow goose shooters.
Maybe I'll shoot Briley an e-mail to see if they know something.
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Pardon me, I didn't think this crowd cared about the semantics of corporate acquisitions and mergers.
Beretta Holdings acquired the Stoeger/Sako (with Tikka being run by Sako I think?) group in 2000. The decision was partially fueled by Stoeger's introduction of the M2000 that was being marketed as a Benelli for less money. I believe an international patent expired that allowed Stoeger to essentially copy the Benelli inertia system.
Beretta Holdings, who had already acquired Benelli many years earlier, decided that Benelli USA would manage Stoeger in order to control the perception that the M2000 was just as good as a Benelli. I think Benelli USA has done a fine job in controlling the M2000 and keeping it from even remotely approaching the quality of any Benelli product.
Beretta kept Sako & Tikka under their control. BTW - I love the Tikka T3!
As the Benelli USA group surges ahead, you will see more and more crossover. The Franchi I-12 is mostly Benelli, the Stoeger P350 is basically a Nova, etc.
I think it is the good-better-best approach. Benelli USA is looking to cover all it's bases....
Sorry guys, it's the OCD talking...
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[ 06-12-2005, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: mudhen ]
Rhino 1.5x.660 choke tube
in Benelli
Posted
RHINO12 670-BEXBE2 -- In Stock
RHINO12 660-BEXBE2 -- Out Of Stock
RHINO12 660-REM -- In Stock
RHINO12 670-WIN/BR -- In Stock
RHINO12 673-BERBEN -- In Stock
RHINO12 695-MOS835 -- In Stock
I would never buy a Rhino from a retailer. Too many horror stories of used (returned) tubes going back into retailer stock.
Call Rhino and order from them directly.....
mudhen - CA