Birdog19
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I agree with Sukhoi. I recently swapped out my pistol grip for a conventional stock so I could do speed loading with my support hand without changing my strong hand grip position. I was finally able to check it out yesterday and do some speed loading practice. Worked pretty well. The conventional stock is about 5.6 oz lighter, at least that's what my mail scale told me. I found no difference or preference in the feel of the grip. But then again, some folks adapt and overcome without even thinking about it and some are very particular to subtleties. I'm of the former variety.
Of course the pistol grip adds some badassery looks to the gun as does the ghost ring sight. If the gun is for home defense, then I'd stick with the pistol grip as it does enable (IMO) better weapon maneuver single handed, than a conventional stock. Think door opening or calling 911 on a cell or pushing/pulling family members out of the way all while keeping a shooting grip on the gun. It can be done with a conventional stock, just not as well. Again, just my opinion.
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On 3/3/2019 at 12:47 PM, les_garten said:
I have the factory 7 round spring that came in my LE model. I also have the spring that came with the Carrier Comp magazine.
Do I need to buy a Wolf spring?
It would increase the impressiveness of my spring collection...
I am using the Facto 7 rd spring cause I figured it was factory and should be the best...
Yup, you would be in the "Wolff Spring Club" as Carrier Comp's titanium mag tubes come with a wolff spring and a US made follower.
Follow the suggestions from DC and Jolly and DON'T be afraid to cut your spring a little shorter to gain full capacity. As has been mentioned before on this forum, Benelli ships a spring meant for the full 7-round mag tube even though it also ships with the 5-round limiter mag tube, so straight out of the box it will be a little too long and may inhibit 5-round capacity with certain shells.
As for the mag tube seal ring, I don't have mine installed. When I unscrew the mag tube nut the spring is not captured, but I know this and am ready to keep the spring from flying across the room. Yes, safety glasses!
Trim your springs!
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On 8/15/2019 at 9:25 PM, NoTycoon said:
While this is a drop in product, some tuning is required. It works most of the time but I need it to work every time. I have been working with the owner of the company to get it dialed in. We are very close. Note, I have an M4 which has small differences from the M2 trigger group. The last issue is an 8th of an inch hang that is, occasionally, catching the shell rather than letting it pass. Josh Kenny is very helpful and very receptive to my issues. I just need to get back to my workbench and polish the butt end of the shell catch. Josh indicated that this has fixed the issue for many others with the same issue.
Hey Tycoon!
Have you returned from your work bench yet! ;-{)
Am wondering if you got this installed and working correctly.
Thanks.
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Dr Bones -
Welcome to the world of: Making my Benelli M4 more perfect.
Below are some of the things I have done to my M4 for home defense and 3-Gun use. HOWEVER, I would strongly encourage you to do some searches on this site to see what others have done. There is a wealth of experience here with many folks trying many different things. In fact, I'd search every after market gun component that you're thinking about buying on this site before you do so. The same with any issues you may have with your M4.
Regarding side saddle "tactical shell holder, I had a Mesa 6-round holder and it weighed 7.0 oz with its integrated pic rail. The Esstac Shotgun Card looks good. I bought a Vang Comp system from Brownell's that is very similar. Search Vang Comp on this forum and you can read all about it. I bought some adhesive backed Velcro and glued it to the side of the receiver, after cutting a whole for the receiver pin, and it works great. Easy to remove the shell carrier if desired. Went dove hunting with it and didn't lose any shells, that I noticed.
I had my TLR-2 HL (red laser) mounted on my IWC for a while to check it out dry around the house. Functionality seemed pretty good but admittedly I have not run it on the range. It weighs about .6 oz. more than the TLR1 HL. Have not heard too much discussion on this forum regarding laser use.
I also got rid of the OEM pic rail (and the aforementioned integrated side saddle with rail) and installed a Scalarworks RMR mount and a Trijicon RMR. It co-witnesses through the ghost ring and just above the front sight post which is nice. Depending on the model RMR and the condition you leave the sight when storing the gun, the batteries will last 2-5 years. Check out their site.
If you noticed a common theme here about reducing weight, you're right.
You can ghost load the M4 without having a round in the chamber. Depending on your situation, that may be preferred for safety reasons, but you will have to rack the gun before using it. Some people say racking a pump or auto loader is the universal language for, "Get out'a my house!" Some people say a lot of things. Personally, I'd like to maintain silence and preserve whatever tactical advantage I may still possess by not racking a shotgun. Having that extra round: 7 in tube +1 in chamber +1 ghost loaded on the lifter is nice. Of course, you can always get an extended mag tube for extra capacity depending on your state of residence. Ghost loading is also discussed as an approved tactical option in the USMC M1014 Operator's Manual.
As you start to think about modifying your gun, check out Freedom Fighter Tactical for the 922(r) compliance issues. I'm pretty darned sure replacing the Benelli mag tube limiter with an OEM 7 round Benelli mag tube is a violation of 922(r). Most people replace the entire mag tube with a lighter single piece aftermarket tube. Want to learn about replacing your OEM mag tube? There's a tutorial for that on this forum!
Bookmark this forum to your favorites and visit frequently, you'll be glad you did!!
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Hey RPC --
Sorry to hear you live in California. I should know, I live here too! While there was a work-around for buying ammo on the web and having it shipped to a cooperating FFL/Dealer, it looks like that option is now gone. Now we need to have the correct paperwork in order to have a background check done for every ammo purchase (within state). And, each purchase denotes caliber and type you purchase going to your current resident address. Only saving grace at this point is there is no limit to the amount you can buy. So now buying a thousand rounds of 9, 40, 45, 223, 12 gauge at a time only makes fiscally as it takes time to run the B/G check fro each purchase and it cost $1 per check.... unless you haven't legally (FFL) purchased a fire arm in the last 4 years (I think that's the number), then you have to pay $19 per B/G check per purchase.
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Actually when you select their custom work menu or shipping menu it tells you they aren't accepting any orders/shipping "at this time".
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Thanks for the update. Did they smooth out the "sharp" 90 deg edges where they took material off the receiver like Danger does with his loading port job?
My shell catch is pretty stiff as well. I checked out this forum as recommended by Danger some weeks ago and there is some good stuff there:
https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/219805-benelli-m2-bolt-mods-and-shell-latch-mod/
I'm also going to look at the spring tension with only one shell in the mag tube to see if maybe the spring can be shortened a little thus a little less force to push against.
Thanks for the update.
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Hey Fanboy! Any update on your receiver? Is Briley treating you right?
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Would love an update from you guys on this!
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Donrozon -
Can you give us a rundown on your fluted bolt? Who did it? How much? Weight differences? Actual benefits in cycling and felt recoil? I see Taran Tactical offers this as part of their overall upgrade packages but never offered as a stand alone service.
Losers of Bolt Handles (No Tycoon, Super M4) -
For those of you that were lucky enough to find their handles, where was it? Meaning, did it appear to fly out and behind you at the end of the bolt retraction or in front of you when the bolt slammed home on the chamber?
Thanks, Birdog
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Just saw this item close on ebay for $410
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https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/81041
I haven't seen a whole lot of "want" for this item in a while. In fact, I was the last one to ask if anyone had one for sale and I was able to pick one up from a member of this forum. I was on a wait list for this stock and MW just sent me an email saying they were back in-stock. $130 at MWGW if you're interested... .
While I like the pistol grip stock, it's easier to load 2 or 4 with the support hand with the standard stock.
Good Hunting.
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What is "SBS"? Short barrel shotgun?
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'Spec -
That's exactly what I was going to suggest -- shorten the spring a little. I believe NordiComp suggest starting with 14 1/2" of spring extending out of the front of the mag tube for starters. If you are getting less rounds in the tube than what you'd expect, 5+1 or 7+1, then take a look at the shell length and also play around with the spring length. If you have plenty of spring pressure to chamber the last round, you might be able to trim that spring down a little the get that last 1/4 - 1/2" (?) that will let you load the final shell with still enough spring compression/power to chamber the last round.
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Just thought I'd pass this along for those using your M4 for home defense. Attached below are links to Streamlight's product datasheet and GG&G's sale price which is 45% off. The light looks good but kind of heavy at 10+ oz. That and a mounting rail will get you close to 3/4 lb near the end of your barrel.
https://www.gggaz.com/streamlight-protac-rail-mount-hl-x-laser-long-gun-light.html
https://www.streamlight.com/docs/default-source/fact-sheet/334.pdf
Thoughts?
Carry-On, Birdog
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'Spec -
Sounds like you're in it like I was 5 years ago and am again renewed as I take my next step in mod'ing the M4. I'd do some searches for "springs" and "trigger pull/weight" etc and see what this old forum has to offer. I did that on another topic and found myself reading for hours -- good stuff. That, and wait to see if some of the sages of this forum chime in.
ATB, Birdog
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With a TTI reduced power hammer spring I had several light primer strikes (FTF) using Fed or Win cheap bird shot (about 100 rounds). This was several years ago. I also installed the FFT trigger package (trig, hammer, dis-connector) at the same time. I went back to the OEM spring. I did like the pull with the TTI spring - definitely reduced weight. Felt good, but the occasional lack of a bang made it a no-go for me.
I just notice that FFT uses Wolf springs...I wonder if they are better than TTI's springs. Anyone?
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Figgy -
Not sure how much you've searched through these posts but there is a lot of info contained therein. DailyEDC has M4 parts for sale in this forum that you may be interested in like a 7-round mag tube by FFT. Freedom Fighter also has a trigger kit and hand guards that are made in the USA and help toward 922(r). Personally I like the OEM or after market knock-off hand guards because at 4.8 oz, they are light! Nordic Components also have 7 round mag tubes which are cheaper and a little heavier than TIT.
Keep surfing here as there is a lot of good stuff and it's better than surfing FB or porn....well, FB anyway! ?
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Could have sworn I looked yesterday and they were OOS. Thanks Scout! Order complete!
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Anyone found a site that has these in stock?
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20 minutes ago, Sigma05 said:
Get an RMR, SRO or Aimpoint Micro and you’ll be able to keep it on 24/7/356. I swap the batteries on my birthday and never turn it off. Always on when I need it.
Sigma you just turned my whole upgrade build plan upside down! I have an RMR on my home built P80 Glock but I never realized it had that kinda battery life. Just checked their website and sure enough, 2-5 years depending. I might have to rethink the Streamlight light/laser combo for just a light and RMR.
THANKS! Birdog
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RPC -
There are a lot of good dudes on this forum with great experience and advice for you and your M4. Like many firearms, now that you've spent a lot of money on it, it is time to spend just about as much (or more) in making it just the way you want it!
Pics below are kind'a average shots. May have to go to full screen on your 'puter for a better view. The mag tube pictured is 10 rounder. Obviously the 12 round is longer. No shot touches the mag tube although it does get dirty from powder. Shotguns being "street sweepers" or "broomsticks" is a bit of a misnomer though it's fun to call them that! My M4 with a cylinder choke (meaning no restriction at all) patterns around 14" across using bird shot at 10-15 yards. I can't remember specific numbers but it's not exactly a sweeper by any means. Another misnomer is you don't have to aim it, just shoot from the hip and you'll get your hits. Not true at all. While I have not patterned by gun using buckshot, I need to. My guess is the pattern will be even tighter.
What is the main purpose of your M4? Sport? Home defense? Both?
I'm working on making it for both 3-Gun (just the local guys at the range) and HD.
If you are going to increase the guns capacity, you will need to make the weapon 922(r) compliant by switching out 3 or more Benelli OEM parts with parts made in the USA. WTF you say?!! I know.., crazy. Go to Freedom Fighter Tactical's home page or https://freedomfightertactical.com/pages/922r-faq to get the specifics and at the bottom you'll see a link that walks you through the BATF law and what specific parts can be replaced to make it compliant.
- My Gun is heavy at almost 9.5 pounds...Empty!
- I've added a Streamlight TLR-2 HL with red laser and light combo mounted on an Impact Weapons Component (IWC) mount . I've not run the gun with this set-up yet so the jury is still out.
- The side saddle from Mesa Tactical adds a bit of weight and is not suitable for me for 3-Gun. Might be good for HD though as mounting up extra shells in my tighty whities at 0200 is not practical. The picatinny rail is integrated into the side saddle so you need to take the OEM rail off.
- The Red dot is a Burris Fast Fire III. I don't care for the ghost ring sights no matter how sexy they look in pics. One could argue the practicality of fumbling to turn on a red dot with a massive adrenaline dump during a home invasion. It's great for 3-Gun though.
- Mag tubes are Nordic Components as I've mentioned. I've got lighter ones on order through FFT and Carrier Comp (CC).
- There are other after market internals like the mag follower, shell carrier TTI (Taran Tactical Innovations) and trigger/hammer/disconnector (all FFT)
- I'll get laughed at for this but the bolt release is made by Redneck Tactical. It's a very simple but effective design (think redneck!). It slips between the right hand guard and the hand guard receptacle. When you disassemble the gun it falls free.
All for now.
Take care, Birdog
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Sold. Now how do I delete this entire post?
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Bummer..., swing and a miss on my part!
Which charging handle to get ?
in Benelli
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I have the FFT 1/2" titanium handle. It fell out yesterday after about 80 rounds of bird shot. Luckily for me it wasn't during firing; it just fell at my feet and my buddies, said, "Dude, look!" I re-installed and gave it a tug and shot another 20 rounds or so without incident. If I just pissed in someone's cornflakes, my apologies! Next time I go to the range I'll take my OEM as a spare and will update this forum if it happens again.