kenw111

Never had your hands on one, useless blather talk . Fools confuse CHEAP (in price) with CHEAP (quality) you are such a one

Im a gunsmith, are YOU son???? I have 4 AIMPOINTs, 2 RMR Trijicons, ...15 Eotechs, 6 VORTEX red dots, 2 Trijicon MROs You havent got a single clue in Hades what youre talking about and FURTHER, YOUVE NEVER HAD YOUR HANDS ON ONE (the defender Vortex) which makes your words LESS than useless

you literally just said nothing, so you CONCEDE the debate i see. 1. equal build quality (better in fact since i own an RMR) 2. comes with pic rail already on red-dot 3. i dont have to remove the existing pic rail 4. i dont need to lower my eyes closer to bore axis to view 5. far far far far less $$$$$$ Since youve never had HANDS ON with one, nothing you say has ANY WEIGHT, .......NONE.

How about you use your brain.......... "WOW IM STICKING AN INSANE GIGANTIC OPTIC DESIGNED FOR AR's on my light weight shotgun, hmmmm, what about the mass of the SHEERING FORCE this thing will do to my shotgun rail and its THREADED SCREW HOLES????????? HMMMMM. " ve seen 2 benelli m4 have their RAILS SHEERED OFF DUE TO RECOIL STRESS OF HAVING AN ELEPHANT (EOTECH) on them.

1000000000% theyre doing it WRONG, PERIOD. the SAME Brits that use that laughable abortion BULLPUP!!!???? Anyone so brainless as to NOT SEE how INSANE it is to stick a HUGE eotech on any shotgun needs their head examined. 😅 Ive seen 2 benelli m4 have their RAILS SHEERED OFF DUE TO RECOIL STRESS OF HAVING AN ELEPHANT (EOTECH) on them. im going to assume you didnt think before posting that absurd picture of a fool with an eotech on his benelli.

1. equal build quality (better in fact since i own an RMR) 2. comes with pic rail already on red-dot 3. i dont have to remove the existing pic rail 4. i dont need to lower my eyes closer to bore axis to view 5. far far far far less $$$$$$ Since youve never had HANDS ON with one, nothing you say has ANY WEIGHT, .......NONE. You, like most "tacti-cool" entities always think "more $$$$ = more better" , but such is the case of superficial minds.

If you dont know why putting an EOTECH on the top of any shotgun is a HORRIFIC idea, ....then you have issues nobody can fix.

I own 15 Eotechs (on ARs and HK762, and SCAR17)..., ....but id have to go FULL BLOWN FOOL to think of putting one on any shotgun!!!! I see peeps putting one on a benelli etc, and my sphincter puckers, ........ why not put an elephant in the back seat of a VW bug,.

its just a storage compartment for battery etc. / lost charging handle. doesnt sound great? who prefers plastic over quality leather? Last leather item i made was a $1200 scabbard for a top quality AK47 made out of green alligator.

wrong, based on facts honey. I dont confuse doxa (opinions) with episteme (facts).

Im a gunsmith, and own more optics and red-dots than almost everyone on this board combined (not literally but close to be sure). Opinions? I dont care about anyone's opinions, only facts and logic (and wisdom). Comparing a Kia and a Caddy? well BOTH ARE JUNK, .....however a Kia is statistically more reliable than a junk american made Caddy. bad analogy there honey. In your poor analogy however a cheapo KIA IS 100000% better than a junk made unreliable Caddy.

finally it let me add pictures.....odd kidding????? its HALF the price and same quality of build. did i mention it COMES with a PIC RAIL attachment for easy install..........

Gunsmith, owner of 15 eotechs, 5 vortex RAZORs ,several P.R.O. Aimpoints etc etc. Vortex just came out with the DEFENDER, it comes standard with a PIC RAIL MOUNT, but also 10 extra (yes literally) baggies with diff screws for pistol mounts blah blah .. its $250 !!! Quality is EPIC, even better than the VORTEX RAZORs i have mounted on my M4's ... Looooooooooove it, its the cats azz! I mounted this one on my new Beretta 1301 tactical, but be just as great on my M4's did i mention its $250 and its quality????????? why wont this stinking board let me add photos??? Hmmm error 200' what the hell????? cant insert images

i saw the video, ....ive never seen such unintelligent ineptitude in my life. ANYONE likewise (also that video) that puts an EOTECH on a shotgun should go to jail, ....so unintelligent, so senseless.

wide open??????? ROFL.....the factor M4 handguards entirely block dirt/crap from falling into the dual piston system.

it DOES NOT HOLD anything together, you can take off that cover and the gun would work fine, its only a shell tube (METAL) protector and buffer between the shell tube and the tube CLAMP. well you "aint getting it", its lightweight for a reason.

isnt that very TACTICOOL, looks like it weighs 100 pounds, good luck with that, visually impressive..........yet in practicality, ....demonic

IF you used your brain youd realize that lets JUNK/CRAP fall into the gas piston system .

Long time Benelli lover and owner of 5 M4s (yes i know thats a bit crazy), a M1Super90 and 3 benelli M2 tactical. Decided to pick up the gen2 Beretta 1301 tactical. Before testing fully I wanted to take it apart to see about the robust-ness of the system. Definitely about 85% or bit less as robust as my M4 or M2's .... buuuuut, its design necessitates this, because its very lightweight. Faster than the M4? Oh hell yes. Had so much fun with it, ...I thought its light weight would make recoil a good bit more brutal, but not that i could tell. At $1550 (what i paid) i dont have to buy a +2 tube or full tube, its already there. actually what LOOKS like a +2 on the end of the Beretta is actually a plastic cover, the 7 round tube is single and continuous inside it. 10 out of 10 times, ill be taking my beretta 1301 out for spins over any of my benellis. Its just that enjoyable honestly. Buuuuut, since Beretta owns benelli, the $$$$$$$ goes to the same folks, so Im sure they dont care.

"Only facts and logic are to be valued, not the musings and opinions of the peoples " - PROCLUS Here ended the lesson son.

In the one image bottom, we have a SWAT (or other armed forces) with a MATTE black M4, low reflectivity= IDEAL TACTICAL The "fighting tool for those who know". In the other image at top, we have a very pretty M4 with reflective surfaces undesirable for field USE Its perfect for showing others, and posting pictures of. Such mods are boasted of their weather / anti-rust properties (rather than keeping their gun oiled and cleaned as anyone ought to do). i.e. the boasting rights of a Keyboard-Jockey. This is the same reason a $4000 1911 is said of "what you show your friends"........and a Glock is said "what you show your enemies". Here ended the lesson.

Heres a novel idea, keep it cleaned and well oiled and dont worry about NON-TACTICAL reflective coatings.

well make sure it stays pretty, thats whats important. If you need to shoot your M4, its best to put that one under glass, and buy another one and shoot the "ugly" one. but the ugly one eventually gets the upgrade too, then youll need to buy another one. thats how i ended up with 4 benelli M4's.

From the bolt condition, this means you either 1. re-coated it 2. your lying. Like most who boast online, im going with the later.

WOW, that looks like a HATCHET JOB. Ughhh