tyson129 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 IM choke and 60 yard kill pattens with no more than 2 oz of lead? Do you know the difference b/t IM and M? The difference is .005" almost nothing for a choke. I would be impressed to see that kind of patterning with a full choke. I am not saying you are lying I am just having trouble believing, I am assuming they were FC Federals? I know the difference, it was the choke that was in the gun, pattern testing and good aim was what made my kill successful. At 40 yards (standard pattern testing distance on a 30" circle) your talking about around 65% of the shot hitting the mark and your questioning the odds of hitting a turkey at 60 yards with an IM choke? You DONT need a full choke for that distance, it dosnt hurt but I used what I had at the time that I felt confident with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 You guys know it only takes one pellet to the head to make a kill right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 You guys know it only takes one pellet to the head to make a kill right? Yes but I would have to see at least 5 in the head and neck to feel confident in my shot. 1 pellet is just chance and leaves a huge chance of that turkey flying away unharmed. I wounded a turkey that way and it ran off instead of flying. I was using Federal FC 3" mag w/ 2 oz of lead and an X full choke at 60 yards. I now use 3.5" w/ 2¼ oz of lead and a S full choke and 65 yards is the farthest I would shoot at a turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Yes but I would have to see at least 5 in the head and neck to feel confident in my shot. 1 pellet is just chance and leaves a huge chance of that turkey flying away unharmed. I wounded a turkey that way and it ran off instead of flying. I was using Federal FC 3" mag w/ 2 oz of lead and an X full choke at 60 yards. I now use 3.5" w/ 2¼ oz of lead and a S full choke and 65 yards is the farthest I would shoot at a turkey. I hear you but it was closing day, sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. My pattern tests the day before were consistent enough for me to make a confident shot with that setup. Maybe it was chance, who knows maybe I scared it to death. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 October 17th to the 23rd they opened up a shotgun season on Turkeys in our district because we have so many...its usually bow only in the fall. This time around I'm going to use my new ground blind a couple decoys and a different setup. I'm going to be using my Carlson Crio choke .665 on my SuperNova and get one of the giant Toms that I keep seeing up on my family's land. I'll post the results of the hunt, right now we have a flock of over 100 turkeys on our 600 acres! We really need some game management done so GAME ON! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 We have a fall turkey season bow season is Oct 1st through Feb 28 and gun season is Oct 26 to Nov 1st. I am ready for some season to start up its killing me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDEREK Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I've used No 5 winchester 3 1/2" load with a comp-n-choke turkey choke with great results. Patterned to 50 yards with lots of pellets in the kill zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I will be pattern testing the Federal Premium Mag-Shok HEAVYWEIGHT Turkey #7 next week through my SuperNova with a Carlson .665 choke. I will let you guys know the results. They advertise that the #7s match the density of the #5s at 40 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I will be pattern testing the Federal Premium Mag-Shok HEAVYWEIGHT Turkey #7 next week through my SuperNova with a Carlson .665 choke. I will let you guys know the results. They advertise that the #7s match the density of the #5s at 40 yards. Let me know what happens, I am considering picking up some of these, although I don't like the fact that they are heavy weights and the most shot I can get in them is 1 7/8 oz. Just like an ounce of steel is more than an ounce of lead, the ounce of something heavier than lead is less shot than an ounce of lead. But it is high velocity so you have to make room for the extra powder, but I want standard velocity, If you get increased penetrating power than something that already kills a turkey, then why add velocity? The should go from 2 1/4 oz of lead to 3 oz of HD shot. Keep it mind that 1 7/8 oz. of HD shot isn't as much as 1 7/8 oz shot of lead but actually equal to 1 1/4 oz of lead, that wad better do it's job good for me to use that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Let me know what happens, I am considering picking up some of these, although I don't like the fact that they are heavy weights and the most shot I can get in them is 1 7/8 oz. Just like an ounce of steel is more than an ounce of lead, the ounce of something heavier than lead is less shot than an ounce of lead. But it is high velocity so you have to make room for the extra powder, but I want standard velocity, If you get increased penetrating power than something that already kills a turkey, then why add velocity? The should go from 2 1/4 oz of lead to 3 oz of HD shot. Keep it mind that 1 7/8 oz. of HD shot isn't as much as 1 7/8 oz shot of lead but actually equal to 1 1/4 oz of lead, that wad better do it's job good for me to use that. I agree 100% with you on this. Why is it that none of the loads go over 2 oz.? I'm sure its from countless tests but still give us the option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I agree 100% with you on this. Why is it that none of the loads go over 2 oz.? I'm sure its from countless tests but still give us the option I don't know but, Nitro company makes some that go over 2 oz, but it will cost you an arm or a leg. For now I am sticking with lead. Can you compare patterns and post some pics so maybe I can change my mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I don't know but, Nitro company makes some that go over 2 oz, but it will cost you an arm or a leg. For now I am sticking with lead. Can you compare patterns and post some pics so maybe I can change my mind? Yeah I will def post some pics after the pattern test. I will do it from 10 to 40 yards on a Turkey Target (as long as the turkey pictured target is not too expensive, because I will be doing quite a few shots- 1 shot per target) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishootkittens Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 yeah dude post some of your patterns, im curious to how it works out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudhen Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Keep it mind that 1 7/8 oz. of HD shot isn't as much as 1 7/8 oz shot of lead but actually equal to 1 1/4 oz of lead It's much closer than that One ounce of lead = 225 #6 pellets One ounce of H-13 = 210+- #6 pellets Once ounce of Win XR = 212+- #6 pellets - 6-7% at the most for most HD pellets. So, a 1 7/8 lead #6 = 422+- pellets and a 1 7/8 oz H-13 #6 = 394 pellets. I've hand-counted H-13 & XR many times, I get different #'s from different batches, but they are all in the ballpark of the #'s above..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 It's much closer than that One ounce of lead = 225 #6 pellets One ounce of H-13 = 210+- #6 pellets Once ounce of Win XR = 212+- #6 pellets - 6-7% at the most for most HD pellets. So, a 1 7/8 lead #6 = 422+- pellets and a 1 7/8 oz H-13 #6 = 394 pellets. I've hand-counted H-13 & XR many times, I get different #'s from different batches, but they are all in the ballpark of the #'s above..... That's a lot of counting and recounting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudhen Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 That's a lot of counting and recounting Yep, I do all that sort of geek stuff all the time! Btw, some HD pellets tend to be irregular, and that can account for different pellet counts as well Companies like Environ-Metal are really in charge because they can mix and blend to get almost whatever density they wish. Turkey is the heaviest, Goose is next, Duck follows, etc., and so on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 It's much closer than that One ounce of lead = 225 #6 pellets One ounce of H-13 = 210+- #6 pellets Once ounce of Win XR = 212+- #6 pellets - 6-7% at the most for most HD pellets. So, a 1 7/8 lead #6 = 422+- pellets and a 1 7/8 oz H-13 #6 = 394 pellets. I've hand-counted H-13 & XR many times, I get different #'s from different batches, but they are all in the ballpark of the #'s above..... Well I was just saying an estimate based on what federal said "1/3 denser than lead" you do the math, (1+7/8)/3=.625 (1+7/8)-.625=1.25 1.25=1 1/4 oz eq. of lead Please correct me if I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flhawghuntr Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 From what I hear TSS loads are by far the best and heaviest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 (edited) I was not impressed at all with the $27.99 for 5 round box of the Federal Premium Heavy weight #5. The best results were with Winchester Supreme High Velocity Turkey #6 loads but here are the results. This is from a SuperNova with a Carlson's Ported .665 Turkey Choke. You may get different results from different guns and chokes but this is what I got. I will continue testing and update the links to Photos when I get on my computer that has all my programs. Hope this helps. Here is the Federal Premium Heavy Weight Mag Shock #5 @ 15 yrds: http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view¤t=100_1724.jpg Here is the Federal Premium Heavy Weight Mag Shot #5 @ 20 yrds: http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view¤t=100_1725.jpg Here is Federal Turkey Strut Shock at 20 Yrds: http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view¤t=100_1726.jpg Here is my favorite, Winchester Supreme High Velocity Turkey # 6 @ 20 yards: http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view¤t=100_1728.jpg Here is the Federal Premium Heavy Weight Wad: http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss287/tyson129/?action=view¤t=100_1729.jpg Sorry I did not do test at longer ranges but the time was limited and I still needed to get my model 700 safari addition .257 Roberts sighted in with its new scope which is a Leupold Vari-X III 3.5 x 20 x 50mm shooting Hornady SST light mag 117 gr @ 3,000 fps. Got it to a 2 inch group at a little over 100 yards. Still a lot of testing to be done before bear, turkey, and deer seasons but I will keep updating as I go. Happy Hunting and I hope this helps. 40 yard + shot pics coming soon for the Turkey Loads! Edited August 31, 2009 by tyson129 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Like I was afraid of, the HD shot was lacking shot, and here is a good tip, you were using a ported choke, which is a BIG no no with FC wads. Compare your pic with my pic using the same restriction choke, but not ported notice how much more intact the wad is: The porting stops the wad and deforms the wad, along with the shot, especially with that tight of a choke. If you would please, try the tightest non ported choke you have with the fed. HD at the same range and show us the results. I would recommend federal high velocity lead, It probably penetrates similar to standard velocity HD shot, and there is almost twice the actual pellets. Good info so far, thanks for sharing your results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 The porting stops the wad and deforms the wad, along with the shot, especially with that tight of a choke. If you would please, try the tightest non ported choke you have with the fed. HD at the same range and show us the results. I would recommend federal high velocity lead, It probably penetrates similar to standard velocity HD shot, and there is almost twice the actual pellets. Good info so far, thanks for sharing your results. Thanks for the tip Trapshooter1. I never saw anywhere on the box and web reviews or even thought that the ported choke would distort the wad that much. Any reccomendations for a choke that would work better for the Heavy Weight Mag Turkey rounds for anyone who is interested (Brand/Model)? I think I'm going to stick with the Winchester Supreme Turkey #6 loads on my setup because the results were amazing shot after shot. I will post some more pics up from 10 to 60 yards because they are about $12-$14 per box of 10, which is half the cost for twice as many rounds....I really enjoy Federal rounds but I'm going to go with what ammo I'm getting the best results with on my setup. Thanks for you help and photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Thanks for the tip Trapshooter1. I never saw anywhere on the box and web reviews or even thought that the ported choke would distort the wad that much. Any reccomendations for a choke that would work better for the Heavy Weight Mag Turkey rounds for anyone who is interested (Brand/Model)? I think I'm going to stick with the Winchester Supreme Turkey #6 loads on my setup because the results were amazing shot after shot. I will post some more pics up from 10 to 60 yards because they are about $12-$14 per box of 10, which is half the cost for twice as many rounds....I really enjoy Federal rounds but I'm going to go with what ammo I'm getting the best results with on my setup. Thanks for you help and photo. Any good brand, non ported, .665 or less extended turkey choke would work good w/ mag shok, maybe not so much with the HD shot. Try a shot or two with the tightest choke you have, factory full would work if that is the tightest non ported choke you have, and try the winchester at the same yardage with the same choke. Winchesters pattern 3rd best in my gun, remington being second best, and federal being best. Winchester might work better with your gun, but I recommend trying remington also. you also need to try some federal w/ lead shot. Anything mentioned will kill a turkey with a well placed shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapshooter1 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Read the bold text in the product description on this link: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0031734215831a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=mag&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1 Per the manufacturer, optimal performance will be obtained when used with non-ported chokes having a constriction of .665 of an inch and larger. Ported chokes can be used, but may not pattern as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH/QuakerBoyProstaff Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 The Undertaker tubes by HS, have performed extremely well with the F/C wad for me. They are cheap, and are good well out to 45 yds in most cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson129 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Read the bold text in the product description on this link: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0031734215831a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=mag&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1 Ahh.. That's where the warning is. haha. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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