Mildot

Might try Royal Arms in Woodland Hills, CA. They are the company that makes the breacher / stand-off muzzle devices used on most breaching shotguns (I believe they are making them for Remington for use in the MCS as well). They also make shotgun muzzle brakes, but you'll have to send your barrel to them for the threading / install. They do quality work and usually have a pretty quick turn-around time. Be prepared to go deaf the first time that you shoot without hearing protection though. I learned the hard way the first time I used a 10" MCS equipped with one of their breacher stand-offs to breach a door. My left ear rang for three days. http://www.royalarms.com ---Mildot

"I saw it happen, copper plated round"........"I personally, know how guns work" -----Copper plated is different than FMJ, as you referenced in your original post, not that it would matter much to a deer at 10-15 yards. "You must use some powerful rounds in your gun" -----Why yes, they were 9mm's after all. "and do you know why the cops know[sic] use a 40 instead of the old 9mm?" -----Yes I do. I did the T&E for my agency when we made the switch. It was more for the fact that a Lieutenant wanted it so, than anything else. "because the 9 wouldn't do the job, it didn't put the people on the ground." -----I would speculate that the 9mm has put more people "On the ground" than any other pistol caliber in the history of warfare. "believe me, I've shot thousands with my 22 pistol." -----Hmmmm.....using the smallest measure of "Thousands" (i.e.--2,000), that would equate to 333 a year for the last 6 years continuously. Or, roughly one dead rabbit every single day without ceasing since you were ten years old.........Hmmmm. "2 cops?" -----Yes. Two cops that I have KNOWN. Not two that I have heard of, or two cops that I have seen on TV, two that I have personally met and KNOWN. "a 22 handgun isn't very frightning. Not any handgun is really, now an AK-47 or M-16, then I'll be a bit more frightened." -----I do not underestimate any firearm of any caliber in anyone's hands. I am personally "Frightened" as you put it, of any firearm which happens to be pointed or deployed against me, and I hope I always am. It is this God-given fear and respect that brings me home to my family each night. I thank God I am a fraidy-cat. Once again, I think that we all wish that the outcome was different in Virginia, and fear what this may mean to our own rights and freedoms, but I am a firm believer that sensationalism and over reaction is best left to those who do it best---the leftist media. ----Mildot

WHOA there.......before the thing breaks the threshold of reason......."A 22 won't even kill a rabbit unless you hit it in the head or chest?? Any Idea how many cops have been killed with the "Wimpy" 22?------Two that I have known. I realize that both of these men were probably pansy a$$es compared to the average keyboard commando around here, but these were both adult MEN with military experience who KNEW that they were in a gunfight. Perhaps they just didn't know how underpowered the 22 round was and allowed themselves to succumb to their fatal injuries due to a lack of will to survive. As for the "Bouncing" 9mm bullet?? Apparently the deer in your neck of the woods are up-armored, because I have had occasion to dispatch probably in the neighborhood of 20 injured deer with a 9mm from distances of 5-30 yards and have yet to see a round fail to penetrate, or the animal fail to die. Matter o fact, I've probably shot another 15-20 with a .40, and I can't see an appreciable difference between the two. Monday mornin quarterbacking is just that--THE DAY AFTER. I've seen a lot of it over the years (some by me) and have come to believe that it is usually spurred about by the fact that no one likes to see the bad guy win. I think that everyone here would have LOVED to have opened the newspaper and read how a brave 19 year old freshman girl peed herself, then in a crying rage, charged the gunman, bouncing 9mm rounds off of her chemistry textbook, and proceeded to tai-bo the gunman into a coma. Unfortunately, this is the EXCEPTION, and never the rule. One thing that I can say, is that no matter how hard and how well you are trained, and how prepared you think you are, when you do find yourself on the receiving end of gunfire, you will NOT react how you now think you will. To think otherwise or criticize those who have, is the pinnacle of retarded speculation. ----Mildot

Update: email sent to Benelli customer service on 09-26-06. Benelli customer service responded the same day, and quickly thereafter to follow-up emails. Received my missing chokes and a complimentary Benelli T-shirt for my troubles on 10-06-06. Changed my above post to reflect my new feelings with Benelli customer service. ---Mildot P.S.--Thanks again Tucker.

Email sent. Hope to hear something soon. ---Mildot

Yup--I got mine with only one tube. I called Benelli about 3 months ago and asked about the missing tubes. After giving them my serial #, the nice lady grudgingly agreed to send the remaining tubes out. When I asked why they weren't shipped out with the shotgun, she told me that they had originally advertised that the shotgun would be shipped with a set of 3 choke tubes, but later....................(changed their minds I guess--she wouldn't elaborate). If they have been paying attention to recent pricing trends for this weapon system, they may have just decided that they would be better served shipping the shotgun out with only one, then selling the remaining tubes at some ridiculous markup (I'm sure some people would still pay). I still haven't received the tubes although they were supposed to arrive in 10-15 working days, and haven't heard a peep from Benelli customer service. I've called back twice, but got tired of sitting on hold for 20 minutes on a long distance call, so I guess I'm just giving up for now. +.5 for Benelli customer service from me so far. ----Mildot [ 10-07-2006, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Mildot ]

Absolutely amazing. Truer words ("A fool and his money") may never have been spoken. The true down side of all this nonsense, is that occasionally, artificial price spikes on limited quantity items such as these, may drive the component prices higher. I hope common sense prevails, and manufacturers and suppliers don't start pricing things like there is a half pound of crack included just because it is made for the ultracooldoubletacticalalmighty "Benelli M4" (and there are dupes out there willing to pay for it). Unfortunately, in these cases, capitolism sucks----if someone is willing to pay over $900.00 for a **** piece of machined and phosphated steel tubing, there will DEFINATELY be someone willing to take their money!! And to think I felt GOUGED after being told that the already overpriced shotgun I had been on a waiting list for over a year for, was now in stock--and oh yeah---$200.00 more! And less the mag extension!! **** I can't afford this addiction!!!!!! ---Mildot

I emailed Surefire regarding a replacement forend style weaponlight for the M4, and they replied that they did not make one for the M4, and had no plans to. Kinda sucks, 'cause I NEED a light for this thing, and I do like their integrated forend weaponlights. ---Mildot

Not to beat a dead Horse, but again, if you want to shoot regularly and the Police keep getting called on you, I'd say that you're probably shooting too close to inhabited areas/nosey neighbors. I don't know what jurisdiction you live in or what the law on disturbing the peace is there, but in most areas, there is usually some sort of blanket "Disturbing the peace" law which states that it is unlawful for any person to disturb the peace of another at any time, day or night. Where I come from, that law is broken down into three catagories: public fighting, loud or unreasonable noise , or words likely to incite an immediate and violent reaction--also known as 'Fightin words!' ("Your Benelli is ugly!" works for me . Now if the responding Officers told you that they had received a noise complaint, and that you must now stop, I would speculate that you probably have some sort of similar "Disturbing the Peace" law in your area. If so, they probably chose to tell you to leave rather than arresting you, or issuing you a citation. As for discharging a shotgun at 3:00am, DUDE--if that didn't draw Police attention, I would be WORRIED WHAT WOULD. Sufficient to say, we live in somewhat anti-gun times right now, and until the public's perception about firearms and personal responsibilty changes, certain people will likely continue to call Police when they hear or see people shooting. Remember--Police don't get a choice of which calls they respond to, and what laws they have to enforce. They are paid to enforce all the laws--not just the popular ones. Even so, Police are given a great deal of discretion, and it sounds to me like they have used that discretion with you on probably more than one occasion. No one like to be shut down when they go shooting, and it sucks that there are increasingly fewer and fewer places nearby to shoot, but common sense should prevail--shooting shotgun at 3:00am=Cops will likely show up. Shooting at same location that Cops have previously told you not to shoot at due to noise complaints=Cops will likely show up. Shooting at range=Cops not likely to show up. Shooting on designated public lands, or private land with few/far away neighbors=Cops not likely to show up. ---Mildot

"Even so, I've had 2 helicopters circle overhead, had numerous guns drawn on me as I was searched, had my serial numbers taken down probably 100 times, been asked 100's of times whether my AR is fully auto, and in general have just been harrassed whenever I go shooting." DANG Bro, assuming that you go shooting EVERY weekend (something I WISH I could do), that's a contact and serial number run EVERY week for almost 2 years straight!! If that's the case, I SERIOUSLY suggest looking for a new shooting spot! "It used to be every time I went shooting, state and local police would come with a half hour. We used to leave someone out at our cars to talk to the police, in order that they didn't come out after us with guns drawn. That happened once too." Dude, in all honesty, would you want to walk up to someone armed with and shooting an AR WITHOUT having a weapon drawn--just in case they aren't nice folks and happy to see you??? (that NEVER happens, does it?). I'd be willing to bet that you could probably turn aroung in the middle of a shot string, and get a good sight picture LONG before the approaching Officers could even clear leather, if you were so inclined. Now thinking rationally, if it was your job to contact these persons, and you had no choice as to whether or not you actually felt like responding to this type of call today, would YOU want to risk you ability to go home to your family that night, by walking up to the scene with your gun in the holster, and HOPING that these are just nice folks who can't seem to pick a spot to shoot at which isn't so close to neighbors/residents/businesses, that they are called on immediately every weekend for 2 years straight? Me personally, I would (and have) HAPPILY thrown my weapons down when being contacted by Law Enforcement. You will always have time to explain yourself and your actions later, but the time of first contact is not the time to argue, hesitate, or be a smartass--keep in mind, these people do not know who you are or your intentions. For all they know, you could be out shooting stolen weapons, getting ready to knock over a circle K. Or you could be an Al Qiada cell preparing for jihad. Or it could simply be an ambush by someone who just dont like the Police. Having muzzles pointed at me is not a feeling that I personally enjoy, so I would be VERY compliant when given orders. I want the Police to know that I am NOT a threat to them, and if it means lying down in the dirt and getting handcuffed until they can sort things out, then I'm dirtying up my clothes, cause the last thing I want is a Police Officer to walk up to the scene, realize he is grossly out--gunned, then have to question whether or not I'm going to try and hurt him. As for being questioned as to wheter or not your AR is "fully auto" and running your serial numbers, think about this logically. Who do you think is calling the Police on you every weekend for 2 years straight? Knowlegable gun owners? Based on the frequency of contacts you have had, I would speculate that you are shooting in an area which is at least close enough to population centers where the average citizenery can clearly hear you and the report of your weapons. Do you think that the AVERAGE citizen can tell the difference between rapid fire (which I'm sure you NEVER do with your AR , multiple persons shooting semi-automatics, and full-auto fire? The extent of a large percentage of the population's experience with firearms is what they see on TV and the movies. These are likely the same types of people that think that the Police can just pull up a realtime image from a satellite feed and read the serial numbers off the side of your receiver enroute to the scene---just like on CSI!! If they were responding to a call of an armed nazi militia group shooting full--autos near an residential area, the quickest way for Officers to clear this call would be to be able to call the reporting party back up and tell them that they showed up, contacted the subjects, checked their weapons, and found that they were not stolen, there was no crime, etc, etc, etc, next call please. One point to keep in mind is that 90% of rank and file Law Enforcement is staunchly PRO-GUN. In fact, the vast majority (including those who don't consider themselves "Gun nuts") have an appreciation for fine weapons, and the responsible use thereof. Most will even admit a secret fondness for the smell of gun oil . Sorry to go off topic here--I'm not trying to trash you or anything, I just think that all too many times, people react to the Police adversarily, rather than taking the time to look at the situation from an objective standpoint, or the respondingn Officer's point of view. Duckhunt--if you are able to, one of the best resources can be found in your local library. They should have current copies of your jurisdiction's Penal Code, Criminal Statutes, or whatever they call it in you neck of the woods. Often you can even find Peace Officer's Sourcebooks and other guides which break down the Legalese into soemwhat more palatable language (kinda like "Criminal law for dummies"). Keep in mind that although there may be no federal or state law regarding a particular topic, local municipalities may have laws regarding specific topics, so my advice would be to read up, then contact your local Law Enforcment agency and explain that you are a "law abinding citizen, want to do right, and would like clarification on......................" --Mildot

OK--sorry. I've edited my above post to better articulate my feelings on the item. I initially looked at it quite closely, as I am in dire need of a weaponlight for this rig, and it looks to be very well made. I've seen them mounted on 870's and they have a good reputation for durability. In truth, I still have not ruled them out, but for my purposes, I would rather have something slimmer, and mounted slightly farther back on the weapon (or underneath the mag tube) ---Mildot P.S.--How does the brightness/range/beam pattern of the light compare to a 2 cell surefire weaponlight?

In that case, trade me two for my factory extension ---Mildot

Just out of curiosity, what did the tubes cost (if you can say)? ---Mildot

Yeah--I've seen it, but don't much care for things hanging off of the muzzle. ---Mildot [ 06-23-2006, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Mildot ]

What group buy? When? Dang, I woulda jumped all over that! ---Mildot