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Black 600 lumen M600 with 600 lumens, IWC mount for Benelli M4. Both lightly used, $230 shipped CONUS. Payment via personal check or Facebook.

The oem and FFT curved face hammers are fine. A flat face would be a new and unique option especially for those who favor them on their pistols and carbine and would like commonality, 3 gunners, etc.

Exactly. He's been a friend of mine for almost a decade. He has began branching out a bit more, and is on a straight trigger kick, so I approached him about it. If he does this, it will be "The Geissele hammer of the Benelli trigger", so to speak. I also think it will be a real hit with the 3G crowd in the M1 and M2 guns...

GGI has been making critical fire control components, and modifying same, in SIG's since before the Benelli M4 was created. If Bruce chooses to do this, it will be done RIGHT. Did anyone worry about Geissele hammer tolerances/clearances? has there ever been an issue?Bruce has indicated to me that he will look into this, indicating "This might be a good fit for us..."He is friends with Taran Butler...This is still definitely up in the air, but I started this thread so that if he asks "Well, who would care?" I at least have something to point to besides my mirror.

Just...give...me....a 1913 or preferably MLOK slot or section on 11 and 1 o'clock on OEM style handguards. The **** is so damn hard about this?!

Would there be an interest in a flat faced benelli m4 trigger made/designed by Bruce Gray of GGI? In case you don't know who he is:https://grayguns.com this is an attempt at testing the waters to get Mr Gray go capitulate to my pleas on this project to create a flat faced trigger of quality origins and another 922r compliant part. He likely needs to see minimum part need to make it worth his time and energies and materials.

The stock won't work. It's based on the SNT stock, and you would need the SNT extension obviously for it to interface.I, too, am having format issues.

I have a SNT that I find to be very utilitarian.

Benelli imports their guns the same way AK-47's are imported, and for the same reasons. Don't blame the company, blame US import laws.

^I'll tend to agree. I sold my Black Carrier Comp CH and just run OEM's. I miss the CC only for the "oohhh...aahhhh..." when I posted photos of it on this forum, lol

Will Briley, Geissele, FFT, etc. release where they got their FCG specs from?As long as the pin-holes line up, which is incumbent upon the purchaser to check, just like headspacing on an AR bolt, it's not going to be unsafe.I have had OEM Benelli aluminum FCG's that didn't even fit the same way in t he same firearm because of pin hole locations.Benelli hand-fits some of their FCG's.This tells me that Benelli has enough variance that YOU the BUYER needs to verify pin-hole locations before swapping in your FCG, as the OEM has been known to hand-fit the FCG components before.*Note "Safe" does not mean "optimal function". It simply means that there will be sufficient engagement of critical bearing surfaces.

Federal and Hornady licensed 2 versions invented by Mr. Billings. As far as I know, nothing under the table occurred.

I have noticed that the more open the choke, the better FC works. Put it in an "overbored" barrel like a mossberg, and you get 12" patterns out to 50+ yards.

And back at you!

How does it even function? Looks like some Photoshop BS

Imaginary...something reproducible, documented with photos and video... Good shooting, I guess I need to now say that I am glad you do not work on any of the aircraft I have flown on. "But this 747 over here didn't have the problem the pilot is reporting on that one, so it's BS, I even tested this plane over here for it..."

ROFL, indeed. Now that I've gotten into higher end optics (Kahles, etc.) you can only imagine my trepidation.

I re-read and understand. I will try this test out. My grip strength isn't special, but it is above average. I believe you are well aware of my penchant for torque. I bought multiple torque wrenches and now demand a torque spec of every manufacturer I deal with, lol! I suppose I need to extend this to the mag cap...

I found that the hotter the barrel, the tighter the cap if tightened when cool. When I loosened and then re-tightened it with the barrel hot, and it cooled, I could then tighten it a bit more using the same pressure. I feel you are correct on "torque to spec". That is what I was doing, effectively. "Spec" being "as tight as I can turn it un-aided with one hand". It RTZ'd perfectly, then. I may well try adjusting torque downward.

Well, then other people who question it should get to testing, is my opinion. I am not selling a product, nor am I pushing an agenda. It is not on me to "prove" anything, to anyone, as so many people on this forum seem to make it out to be. I am simply sharing what I have discovered to be true of MY situation, and any "proof" offered, has been gratis. Were I trying to cause people to change their practices, buy my products, or adopt my methods, I would feel more responsibility for cause/effect establishment. Since I am doing none of the above, I'd encourage people who have questions to do their own testing. This post is not directed at you, nor is it a tongue-in-cheek dig at your status as a manufacturer (your products have nothing to do with this phenomenon in my observation, anyways), but mainly at those who have directed derision at my observations and/or demanded more "proof", or whatnot, as though I were a salesman pushing something at them. To me, the POI tracking with POA of the irons makes sense. They are both at the same locations on the barrel (the rear sight is near enough the barrel that it "counts" for That said, this is part of why I went SBS. Less barrel length to expand/contract. More rigid barrel (less length to be bent). Etc. That, and all the other awesome reasons to go SBS, lol. It also makes sense that JUST NOW we are seeing this phenomenon, with receiver mounted RDS becoming more popular with MI, and Scalarworks making very viable methods. Also, I asked long ago, a question, and it got a few answers that seemed odd...now, not so much... https://forums.benelliusa.com/showthread.php/33601-Benelli-super-90-series-and-m4-slugs-and-cleaning-and-zero-shift?highlight=cleaning This guy uses an Aimpoint, and..."has to chase his zero sometimes". Could it be that his established zero was established with a hot barrel, after chasing said zero, and then when he gets back to the range, cold, it is no-longer zeroed? A 12moa or greater shift could indeed cause him to miss the entire target at 100 yards....especially a 11x22" target, when aiming dead-center...hmmmm...things clicking into place...

This picture details what I am talking about. I understand some shooters cannot stack slugs and flinch so badly that it's a moot point, but for some of us, this is meaningful. As SD said, when using irons, I did not notice the issue, when using the RDS that was not touching the barrel, the shift was meaningful. Notations written on target. Shot #1 was the top right, using the RDS. Shot #2 was top left, using irons through the RDS. I then fired 25 rounds of bird-shot as fast as possible. Shot #3 was then made using the RDS bottom right. Shot #4 was then immediately made using irons bottom left, followed by a confirmation shot (#5), bottom right using the RDS. It is stacked with shot #3.

I know, but some of the logic trains here needed clarity I feared. We have people saying that holding the forend is equal to thermal expansion impingement. We have people saying it's the ammo who releasing the barrel fixes the issue instantly. We have people saying 12moa doesn't matter. So I figured...

Not really, thermal expansion against the mag cap at the very end pits a lot more tension against the barrel than a normal bracing with hands or sandbag.

H2, and it was not warmer than ambient.

A 12 moa shift kinda matters... 1moa? Whatever, but 3 to 4 inches at 25m?