Morton

I got a good price on some Nobili Sport Italia 00 buck and #4 buck, both of which are high brass rounds. The 00 is 12 pellets per and the #4 has 27. Personally I can live with 6 in the tube and one on the carrier, so the extra wound channels are more important to me. For home defense, most of the time two or three rounds will end the confrontation anyways, so I don't stress about getting 7 in the tube, which BTW mine is a stock 5rd with a 2rd extension. Have you shot any of these? If so, what do you think? I know they're hot rounds at 1290 and 1325fps respectively, but my thinking is with 00 pellets weighing more like light .380 target and the #4 more like .25s, higher velocity seems appropriate.

Notice the phrase, "...it doesn't help with 922r compliance...". I already know it makes no difference because it's not replacing something. Adding a sling, a light, a red dot, none of those things matter when it comes to 922r. However if you are replacing a part that was made in Italy for instance, with one that is made in the US, that helps with 922r inasmuch as you can now replace a part with one made in Italy and not have to worry if the part you're replacing was made in the US or not. You're already one part "in the green" so-to-speak, and have leeway as far as the law is concerned. It's good you brought that up to clarify my statement. There's a lot of confusion about 922r. I got the Botach 2rd extension tube for mine, which is made in America, so it doesn't matter where the original "boar's tit's" extension was made. And if the thing was made in Italy, it wouldn't matter if you got a 2rd extension that was made outside the US: The gun would be unaltered as far as the required number of listed parts being made in the USA. So it's important to know where the part you're replacing was made ONLY if you're going to replace it with a part you know is made outside the US. I love it when a thread digresses to enlighten things.

De nada Rx. As far as I can see there's only one drawback to your piece: it doesn't help with the 922r compliance for American owners. That is if it counts as a part of the gun. Maybe it's a borderline thing?

First pull the bolt all the way back, then ease it forward until the carrier pops up, drop in your round and push it and the carrier down into the receiver and release the bolt. Watch to make sure the bolt doesn't pick up the round. If it does, you must have pulled the bolt back inadvertently. Make sure when you let the bolt forward to make the carrier pop up that you don't pull it back again or it might pick up the round. If you're gonna do this and load a round in the chamber at the same time, it won't matter which you do first, but if you pull the bolt back after you ghost load your round with one in the chamber, the round will jam against the one you put in the chamber. Just FYI.

Good joke. I got a good laugh from that. Thanks.

No problem here. I just posted what I've found to give the guys here a choice, show them how it looks. You came on to tell about an alternative and I'm fine with that. It's what we're here for, right? I didn't even know about that one Dave's makes. But if I had, I think I would have paid more to get this simpler design. All it needs to do is cover the button and to me this is part of the beauty of this weapon: function over form. It's a shotgun you can take all the way apart (except the recoil spring and the magazine assembly) in the dark in the woods and clean it if need be, and not need any tools to do it: It's in the military spirit of the M1 Garand only better. So to me that plain flat piece of spring steel is just what the doctor ordered. The gun doesn't care if it's "pretty", and that piece Dave makes is too fancy for my M4. To me the beauty of the M4 is in it's functionality, and this gun is made for shooting bad guys, not quail. I think if I see somebody put scrolling with gold leaf inlay on their M4 I will die laughing.

None at all, and I think if you did it would hurt the function of it. You have about 1/2" of leeway up or down so you can place it to suit your taste.

Thanks for doing the research for us.

Everybody has his overpriced something. I notice Dave has a 2rd extension tube for $85 and I got one from Botach for $50. Yet having seen it, it looks too overworked. I don't think it needs that stiffening rib in the middle. I like this plain release tab. It's simple and military looking. Then again, what is Dave's "speedbar" made of? The RxArms piece is made of 1095 hardened spring steel: You can't just hammer or bend 1095 spring steel around a die and ship it. I wouldn't call the RxArms piece a ripoff. Not with $350 7rd tubes and $85 extension tubes for the M4 selling like hotcakes. lol

Didn't say it's not good for hunting, I just think of it as a tactical combat weapon. However with the stock ZarZ just showed us and his explanation of what he's doing, I think he'll have a fine shotgun for hunting. I guess my comment was biased a little because of my first shotgun my grandfather gave me when I was ten: a sweet double-barreled Savage 410. I think of the nice walnut stocks and the two rounds I had to put down a squirrel or a rabbit. Nine rounds of #6 going up against a little bunny doesn't quite seem fair. lol Eight rounds of tall 12 pellet 00 buck for use as riot control however is completely fair.

It's something hunters and skeet shooters do to improve the pattern of the shot. The forcing cone has a taper and the longer that taper takes to "size down" the shot charge, the better the pattern of the shot at distance. I wouldn't be interested in doing that to my M4 because it's a combat/riot weapon, not a hunting shotgun as such. I would think if you had enough money to buy a Benelli M4, and you wanted to do some hunting, you might want a gun that's conducive to hunting, that is not with a pistol grip and is better fitted to holding a bead on a bird or rabbit... ...like maybe his Mossbergs? lol As for you ZarZ: I'm sure you can expect the same pattern improvement you got with your other shotguns. I don't see why not.

I just got mine in today and I am quite satisfied with the quality of the piece. As the manufacturer says it simply tucks in between the forearm and it's retaining band. Although it is made in Canada and it's about $50, I think it is a much more durable solution to the "big buttons" offered by other companies. Not only does it not interfere with anything else, it cannot damage the bolt release mechanism and I can easily get three fingers on it as shown. From one who was trained by one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, I am very impressed with the ingenuity and military simplicity of this piece: nothing to break or go wrong here.

I removed my 5rd tube just to make the gun into a takedown that will fit into a backpack or suitcase and I don't see any need to use thread locker there. BTW, if you remove the trigger group, you can point a heat gun at the tube from where the trigger group was and it will melt the factory Loctite (R) in less than a minute. I saw the 7rd tubes going for $300 and up and bought a 2rd extension tube for $50 instead. It does the job of making the magazine 7rd capable and makes the job of cleaning out the magazine tube a lot easier too. It clears the barrel lug, and when cleaning out the tube you just put the follower in, then the spring, and then you put the 2rd extension tube over the spring and push it onto the 5rd tube. It very easy to compress the spring and there's no small parts looking to fly 20 yards away if you lose your grip, which is even more unlikely. I can just see somebody slip and fire that follower 1/8 mile away in the dark trying to clean the dirt out of a 7rd magazine tube. That or lose the snap ring sleeve using snap ring pliers, which they will need if they re-glued the tube in the gun, which I can't imagine is really needed in any case. Nope. As far as I'm concerned the 7rd tube is purely for cosmetic purposes and gluing it in place is redundant. Function beats bling in my book.

Mine got here today. As you said, this is a great sling, well worth the $50. I will be getting one for my Ruger PC Carbine.

I just bought an 18" M4 model 11701 and I know this question is off-topic but I do have a trust on a suppressor I got last year and I'm disturbed to hear somebody said I may have waived my 4th Amendment rights when I signed that trust document. Is that true? When I paid the ATF my tax and got an NFA stamp for a suppressor, did I sign away my right to demand a warrant to search my home?