Novaking Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Racking the gun may get the "bad guy" to leave. I think NOT shooting someone is the right goal in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Racking the gun may get the "bad guy" to leave. I think NOT shooting someone is the right goal in mind. That may be your goal. I'm thinking that he has gone to all the trouble of getting into my home for a reason. He doesn't get a do-over with me or anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJgunner Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 shotgunNoob, your name suits you. If your comfortable with 4 rounds in your shotgun for home defense than good for you. Im comfortable with 14 rounds of .45 hollowpoints as ive said. If you have 3 people breaking into your house which would you rather have??? You can talk about people planning home invasions but its all preperations. If put to the test your stress and adrenaline level will be put through the roof and you just very well might miss someone. You compare your "racking the slide" to an intruder seeing 6 357 magnum rounds, the point is the intruder should never see these if were talking about a night home invasion, he should be blinded by your flashlight thus further protecting you. I would rather have the element of surprise and be fully loaded with my sights on the suspect before turning on my flashlight so that if they are armed im ready to go. If they ARE armed and hear your "clack clack" as you put it, bullets will be flying in your direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaking Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 That may be your goal. I'm thinking that he has gone to all the trouble of getting into my home for a reason. He doesn't get a do-over with me or anyone else. All I'm saying is if someone whats something in my house, They can have it. As long as that something doesen't hurt someone or my family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Wow. Just wow. Post up the inventory. I promise no one will get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJgunner Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Wow. Just wow. Post up the inventory. I promise no one will get hurt. LOL Ya I call dibs on his Benelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashtx556ftw Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Safety is relevant to those who are in the home. When my kids were here I kept all guns unloaded and locked away. Now that they are grown and on their own (well, sort of - college isn't really on your own), I keep just about everything loaded and there's a S&W 40 with 16 rounds (including one in the chamber) and an extra mag. within arms reach of my bedside all the time. I have no desire in letting an intruder know I'm either home or awake and alert to their presence until it's too late for them to do anything but bleed. if your that gung ho to just kill someone, why wait? go out and shoot a neighbor, and drag him inside. ill never understand peoples desire to just slaughter another human being. i just hope when you idiots decide to blast whatever goes"bump" in the night, its not your wife who got up for a drink of water, or your kids home early from collage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashtx556ftw Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Racking the gun may get the "bad guy" to leave. I think NOT shooting someone is the right goal in mind. AMEN,take my word for it, its not something you want to do if you dont haveto. intruder or not its hard to live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJgunner Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 i just hope when you idiots decide to blast whatever goes"bump" in the night, its not your wife who got up for a drink of water, or your kids home early from collage. ^^^^^ lol :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJgunner Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 AMEN,take my word for it, its not something you want to do if you dont haveto. intruder or not its hard to live with. How do you know have you ever capped someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashtx556ftw Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 shotgunNoob, your name suits you. If your comfortable with 4 rounds in your shotgun for home defense than good for you. Im comfortable with 14 rounds of .45 hollowpoints as ive said. If you have 3 people breaking into your house which would you rather have??? You can talk about people planning home invasions but its all preperations. If put to the test your stress and adrenaline level will be put through the roof and you just very well might miss someone. You compare your "racking the slide" to an intruder seeing 6 357 magnum rounds, the point is the intruder should never see these if were talking about a night home invasion, he should be blinded by your flashlight thus further protecting you. I would rather have the element of surprise and be fully loaded with my sights on the suspect before turning on my flashlight so that if they are armed im ready to go. If they ARE armed and hear your "clack clack" as you put it, bullets will be flying in your direction. a flashlight is the last thing you want.you want a light at the end of your hall or in another room in away that puts them in the light and you in the dark.this way you can see your intruder ,but they cannot see you. and in factfew people will just start shooting in a house that they know nothing about after hearing a shotgun being racked.THEY LEAVE. if you want your home to be 100% safe, get an alarm system. save your the family the shear terror of getting up to see an intruder splattered all over your living room. believe me people. ive been there. my wife and kid is now haunted by every little creak they hear. i am sorry for the previos insults, but i feel very strongly about this issue. if your just kill happy, you shouldnt own a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashtx556ftw Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 yes ...i have!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashtx556ftw Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 look under the post. [shotgun rounds for home defense] the whole story is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashtx556ftw Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 5th page.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJgunner Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 yes ...i have!! Good for you, you should be proud for defending your home. Man up. Your story looks like bullsh!t to me, nobody "flies back 20 ft" while being hit with a shotgun round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamlau Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I store my shotgun with a snap cap in the chamber and a single round on the shell carrier. I must be a n00b as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euromutt Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Think about it. If I am in my room and 2 people are in my livingroom and I begin racking my weapon (well, my M4 doesn't "rack" per se) then 1 of them might well tell the other to re-position himself. THen when I appear, certain that anyonei n the house has shat himself, the one in the middle of the room by the TV feignes compliance while his accompolice assaults me from behind furniture or something. Well, I for one wasn't intending to go chasing around my house in the middle of the night with an unknown number of intruders out there, and certainly not wielding a long gun. My plan was to hole my family and myself up in the master bedroom, cover the only hallway leading to it, and call in my friendly local law enforcement agency. That may not work for you, due to the layout of your house and/or the expected response time of your local PD or sheriff's office, say, but I'm reasonably certain it's the best plan of action for me. "Cruiser" status. Is that a paintball term? As shotgunNoob rightly points out, it's an established term. As I noted earlier, the overwhelming majority of pump-action shotguns don't have internal firing pin locks, which means that if the weapon is subjected to a sharp impact, and there is a round in the chamber, the weapon may discharge, even with the safety engaged. In the case of a shotgun carried in a police cruiser, there is a risk that if the vehicle were to be rammed or crash, and there were a round in the shotgun's chamber, it might discharge. This why police keep the chamber empty while the shotgun is carried in the cruiser. Hence "cruiser ready." Any more condescending questions? Noob is as noob does, if you ask me. Racking the gun may get the "bad guy" to leave. I think NOT shooting someone is the right goal in mind. That may be your goal. I'm thinking that he has gone to all the trouble of getting into my home for a reason. He doesn't get a do-over with me or anyone else. Well, let's hope for your sake, tucker, that if it ever comes to that, the prosecutor's office and the grand jury see it your way. At the risk of speaking for Novaking, I suspect his opinion isn't based on misplaced humanitarianism, but on a correct assessment that not shooting someone means not risking trial for aggravated assault, or worse. And I'm with him on that. At the end of the day, what matters to me is my family and myself coming through the incident unharmed, and ideally, I'd like to achieve that without subsequently risking a trial. If that means the bad guys get away, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamlau Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I agree. tucker301 does like a n00b, therefore he must be a n00b. Since I am also a n00b, it is all good ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaking Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Wow. Just wow. Post up the inventory. I promise no one will get hurt. I'm not to worried. You'll just take all my wifes clothes. Whats your favorite color? I'll lay a skirt out for you. P.S. I can't promise the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaking Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 At the risk of speaking for Novaking, I suspect his opinion isn't based on misplaced humanitarianism, but on a correct assessment that not shooting someone means not risking trial for aggravated assault, or worse. And I'm with him on that. At the end of the day, what matters to me is my family and myself coming through the incident unharmed, and ideally, I'd like to achieve that without subsequently risking a trial. If that means the bad guys get away, so be it. Thanks Euromutt, Everything you said, but I will add at the end of the day, I DIDN'T KILL SOMEONE. which is the goal. i would hate to kill a homeless man that broke into my house just to get some food, he is buttering some bread with a knife, I see the knife and pull the tigger. ( I know this sounds stupid). Now, same thing, but I "rack" my gun, he hears it, and all I'm out is a peanut butter and jelly. Can it be worst, YES. Can you asume worst. YES!! To get to me, my wife, and my kids, you will have to get though something,(outside door,window) whatever, two stair gates, (one you can't step over and as a bell on it.) and two locked doors. If the bad guy can get though that without me or my wife hearing it, I guess I'm screwed. But, I think I will have time to "rack" the action to start a fight. The last thing I would want to do. Novaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunNoob Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 shotgunNoob, your name suits you. If your comfortable with 4 rounds in your shotgun for home defense than good for you. Im comfortable with 14 rounds of .45 hollowpoints as ive said. If you have 3 people breaking into your house which would you rather have??? You can talk about people planning home invasions but its all preperations. If put to the test your stress and adrenaline level will be put through the roof and you just very well might miss someone. You compare your "racking the slide" to an intruder seeing 6 357 magnum rounds, the point is the intruder should never see these if were talking about a night home invasion, he should be blinded by your flashlight thus further protecting you. I would rather have the element of surprise and be fully loaded with my sights on the suspect before turning on my flashlight so that if they are armed im ready to go. If they ARE armed and hear your "clack clack" as you put it, bullets will be flying in your direction. First of all, I have 5 to 6 rounds in my shotty at all times, along with 4 rounds contained within a Mesa Tactical shell holder. In addition, I have a .45 ACP loaded with 7 rounds in the mag...one down from full capacity to be just a bit easier on the springs for the long term. Frankly, Im not sure exactly which post of mine you were commenting on. But, you obviously missed my point(s). I fully understand the effects of adrenaline, stress, etc., etc., and its effects on aiming capabilities. The comparison to the .357 was borrowed from a Massad Ayoob quote...to be taken figuratively, not literally. And, the flashlight theory is subjective, to say the least. Many argue for it, some against it. Some say "hold the flashlight this way or that"...either way, you never truly know how this tool will benefit you. If you are naive enough to think that lighting up a flashlight will just "blind" a perp, thus giving you all the time you need to unload, well.....what can I say. This scenario could just as easily result in you being fired upon as the "clack-clack" of the shotgun you seem to ridicule. My statements regarding the racking of a shotgun round are, I will admit, just as prone to opinions as the whole flashlight business. But, as I mentioned earlier, its not just an "intimidation" thing in my case, but a necessity. I do not keep a round in the chamber. Therefore, the racking sound comes with the territory. BTW- I do not necessarily claim my shotgun to be my ONLY means of home defense...Im not sure where you got that idea. But, be realistic, not many home intruders want to truly risk their lives just to "procure" some of your items or to have their way with your wife (or girlfriend). So, once fired upon or possibly, hearing a shotgun being armed..they more than likely will not stick around. After all, this is not the same scenario they would encounter when facing police. In that case, its either fire and/or kill or go to jail. Bottom line is, nobody truly knows what or how things will go down until the s**t hits the fan. Say all you want..Im betting you are no more prepared than I. And, as I said before, most gunfights are over within a matter of seconds. Can you fire 14 rounds, effectively, while under stress..in the middle of the night.. within a matter of seconds? Particularly if you are dealing with multiple people? I doubt it. Take a look at your statement regarding the possibility of "missing someone", given enough stress. Actually, I agree. But, do you honestly think you are bound to be more accurate with a handgun vs a shotgun in this type of situation? Give me a break....Say what you will, 4 to 6 rounds in a shotgun is just as effective as your 14 of .45. Unless, of course, you're a damn good shot under pressure. The reason to fire at a home intruder is not to necessarily kill or wound him/her/they, but to STOP them. Period! Dont tell me that you honestly think that any handgun would be more capable of this than a shotgun. I could go on and on about this topic, but I wont. Just dont make the mistake of thinking that anything you have said is news to me or that somehow you are "enlightening" me. Ive heard it all before. Either way, this debate doesnt start or end here. The bottom line is, either one of these weapons are better than no weapon at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaking Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Wow. Just wow. Post up the inventory. I promise no one will get hurt. I just forgot. More inventory you might take: My son's gerbal my tube socks (or maybe ankle socks) vaseline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telescope Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 "sigh". I'm with shotgunNoob in this conversation. A balanced approach. Some peeps just get all worked up and make assumptions on incomplete information and go off on wild tangents. (When's wild tangent season by the way?) Just because someone mentions in the "home defense" thread that they have 4 nasties in their shotgun, none chambered, it doesn't mean that they don't also have trained dobies in the next room, a claymore down the hall, and an rpg in the closet, a set of ginsu knives under the pillow and a really really sharp pencil to boot! -it's just that it is pointless to bring up every possible single detail when discussing: "Home Defense Shotguns" I'm not giving offense, so don't take offense. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warped Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The ideal situation is that your home is secured in such a manner that nobody is getting in without making a huge amount of noise, after that you would be cleaning up the mess that your dogs made out of them. Given that scenario you might not even get a chance to shoot. If they do get in and kill the dogs, then you just shoot them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashtx556ftw Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Good for you, you should be proud for defending your home. Man up. Your story looks like bullsh!t to me, nobody "flies back 20 ft" while being hit with a shotgun round. let some one shoot you with a 20ga shotgun, and see if you dont. i would imagine it was as much due to shock, as impact. ive got nothing to prove to any one, so i dont give a flying damn wetheryou believe me or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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