Panama Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I know this model is LEO / Military sales only, but let's say "hypothetically" one came up for sale from a LEO or Military personel. What can a civilian do to make it legal to own, according to 922r, within reason. I know a person can just go spend 2400 bucks and get an H2o, or a civilian 11707 model and then spend ANOTHER 750 bucks on a stock and extended tube, but within reason, can a model 11721 ever be made 922r compliant? I want it! [ATTACH=CONFIG]1576[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler&kochp2000 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Yes just buy 4-5 after U.S. made market parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panama Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 What would really be nice, is a list of "U.S. made" parts, and where you could order them. I know, I know, I am asking a lot, but it would be nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clc3251 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 If it was owned by a LE agency or officer for duty use then it doesn't need to have any parts changed. It has already complied with 922r and can be sold as surplus by the officer/agency without changing any parts. Happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panama Posted August 12, 2012 Author Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) If it was owned by a LE agency or officer for duty use then it doesn't need to have any parts changed. It has already complied with 922r and can be sold as surplus by the officer/agency without changing any parts. Happens all the time. Now I am confused. I can not buy this 11721 because it is 922r NON compliant, but an LEO / Military / Agency can because they are exempt from 922r, so how does it become 922r compliant, when the LEO / Military / Agency sells it to me? Same gun, same parts, except "I" am not exempt, from being 922r compliant. What am I missing? What is 922R? Title 18 of the US Code (18 USC), Chapter 44 Section 922 provides guidance on unlawful acts as they relate to firearms. You can read the text of the law by clicking here. Section 922 Paragraph R states: "It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to-- (1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or (2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General. " Most of us don't fall under those exceptions, so we are left to deal with meeting compliance with the law. Edited August 12, 2012 by Panama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhoi_fan Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) Most of us don't fall under those exceptions, so we are left to deal with meeting compliance with the law. Wrap your head around this: "It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation The deal is that mere possession does not constitute being in violation of this statute, ONLY "assembl(y) from imported parts". One, if clearly a surplus gun sold off by a gov.org agency then it was not "prohibited from importation" in the first place. Two, if one has acquired a gun which was previously legally assembled (to its current configuration as a hi-cap mag shotty w/ c-stock) I don't see how any of the circumstances of ownership could possibly be in violation of the statute. The 'non-prohibited' shotgun would be viewed the same as a M4 H2O with the adjustable stock and hi-cap mag - perfectly legal to have possession of. Edited August 12, 2012 by Sukhoi_fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler&kochp2000 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Carriercomp freedomfightertactical make the parts google them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paladinjme Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) All you ever wanted to know about 922®...and an option for compliance parts: http://freedomfightertactical.com/922r-faq/ Edited August 12, 2012 by paladinjme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panama Posted August 12, 2012 Author Share Posted August 12, 2012 I "think" I understand it now, I "think". 922r only comes into play if you add an extended magazine tube, then you must exchange enough other Benelli factory parts, with U.S. made parts, to get it back into compliance with 922r specs. Or just buy a M4 H2o and not worry about anything, except your intelligence, for spending so much for a shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saym14 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 tube follower stock forearm hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paladinjme Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 tube follower stock forearm hammer With the 7 round mag tube and C-stock you only need 4 US made parts, so the above list, minus stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKTM Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 if you put 922r parts on it I think you would be destroying its value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clc3251 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Once again, you don't have to change ANY parts if you are buying a surplus LE gun. It can have an extended mag and c-stock with all the original parts. It is already 922r compliant since it was surplused from a LE agency. State laws may apply though. Check your local laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Once again, you don't have to change ANY parts if you are buying a surplus LE gun. It can have an extended mag and c-stock with all the original parts. It is already 922r compliant since it was surplused from a LE agency. State laws may apply though. Check your local laws. +1...I agree, The law applies to assembly, It's already been assembled... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhoi_fan Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 +1...I agree, The law applies to assembly, It's already been assembled... Right, and no prohibition on it being imported either - it was legally imported as is. There appears to be zero restrictions on sales by gov.org agencies to any secondary market either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 BTW....Welcome to the forum Clc3251!!!!.... Later, Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clc3251 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 BTW....Welcome to the forum Clc3251!!!!.... Later, Hookster Thanks. Been lurking for a long time. Have a full LE spec m4 and an M4 entry model. Also an M1 entry. All surplus LE guns with all original parts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Welcome aboard!! I'd love to see some pics of your entry gun configurations if you have a chance!! Later, Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeMarine Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Finally got my M4 after saving up for quite awhile with family emergencies in-between!! So my plan is to change out the mag tube for the full length, the stock for a standard straight stock, the forearm and the follower. would that make it compliant or do i need one more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeMarine Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 if i change the stock, mag tube, follower and the forearm, would that make my M4 922 compliant? or do i need one more? the stock im changing too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKTM Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Anyone care to wager that someday the ATF will claim that altering a 11721 M4 with American parts will make it contraband because it is converting it from an importable condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Finally got my M4 after saving up for quite awhile with family emergencies in-between!! So my plan is to change out the mag tube for the full length, the stock for a standard straight stock, the forearm and the follower. would that make it compliant or do i need one more? You would be compliant with this set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Finally got my M4 after saving up for quite awhile with family emergencies in-between!! So my plan is to change out the mag tube for the full length, the stock for a standard straight stock, the forearm and the follower. would that make it compliant or do i need one more? The stock doesn't need to be changed if the other parts you mentioned are all US made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeMarine Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 THis is the stock i'd like to put on it right now. but i'll see how i like the pistol grip stock http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=980370&filter=beneli+m4&catid=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 THis is the stock i'd like to put on it right now. but i'll see how i like the pistol grip stock http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=980370&filter=beneli+m4&catid=0 Enjoy your new baby OrangeMarine and pics when you're all done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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