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M4Madness

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  1. Letter faxed again today.
  2. I sent it to the correct fax number and it went through. Obviously the intended party did not see it. I will send it again tomorrow afternoon.
  3. Heck, I'd just like to know for sure that Benelli received the faxed letter!!!
  4. I haven't heard anything from them. They haven't even acknowledged to me that they received the faxed letter. All I have is the paper saying that the fax went through. I wish someone from Benelli would at least e-mail me and let me know that it has been received. I provided my e-mail address on the cover page of the fax.
  5. Bry72, Looks really sweet. I really want the mag extension and working telestock myself, but don't want to risk breaking any laws right now. Until Benelli clears up the issue with the BATF of whether or not these mods are legal, I'll just have to wait. I'd hate to machine on my recoil tube, only to have the BATF rule it illegal, and then have to find a replacement tube. [ 10-25-2004, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: M4Madness ]
  6. I figure that the best way to find out is to get it straight from the horse's mouth. It appears that Benelli had the wrong impression about the legality of all this, so if I'd have listened to Benelli say that it was legal, I would be in violation.
  7. Here's my take on it. The BATF has already ruled that it is ILLEGAL to do these mods on a Benelli M1014. It will be up to Benelli to get an exemption. I truly hope that they can, as I really want my shotgun to be "correct". But since I own a registered full-auto M16 and various sound suppressors, I have a lot to lose and don't wish to tempt fate even if I could do the mods illegally and go undetected. I need to stay as squeaky clean as possible.
  8. 922(r) is what covers imported non-sporting firearms. I'm not sure that a list of non-sporting firearms even exists. "EKIE" from AR15.COM has said it best: 1989 policy change, commonly known as the '89 Bush Ban The Bush administration directs the Secretary to find that low and behold there are unsporting firearms being imported right under our noses. This was not a new law, regulation, ruling or executive order as is commonly reported. At this point Form 6's (import permits for firearms) are denied for our ugly guns, under 18 U.S.C. section 925(d)(3). No criteria is released stating what is good and what is bad other then a huge "report" put out by the ATF which consisted of a bunch of mumbo jumbo, and later a list of specific models in letter format, neither of which was ever put out as regulation or ruling by the ATF. Remember this is not a law banning anything it is simply a government policy shift where by permits are denied for imports, so calling it the '89 ban is a misnomer, the '89 import restriction would be a better name for it. This was a rather odd situation. Permits were approved for some of our rifles but with strings attached on the importer saying that they would only be sold to law enforcement or other favored Americans like Government employees. Importers find that they can get Form 6 approval for really ugly looking thumbhole mutant rifles, because some how these rifles are sporting and thus importable. There is still no published criteria for what is sporting. Seems that any rifle is okay as long as it has a thumbhole stock, and nothing more then a muzzle nut on the end. Many rifles are brought in with simple tack welds holding these on and some with nothing at all. Bayonet lugs seem to be bad too but, again some rifles are brought in with them. 1990 18 U.S.C. section 922® Congress reacts to all this funny business by passing a new bill that Bush signs into law. It states that it is illegal to assemble a un-importable firearm from imported parts, or more specifically makes it illegal to build any firearm prohibited from importation under 18 U.S.C. section 9235(d)(3). There is still no criteria listed for what is unsporting and thus importable in law, regulation, ruling, etc. Well since this law is so vague ATF writes regulation (178.39) that spells out the 10 parts rule in 1993 that spells out what imported parts means. It states that only 10 imported parts are allowed in a unsporting imported firearm. The odd part is that the Federal Firearms Regulation Guide that is circulated by the ATF is put out in 1990 and is too late to include this in it. This new law and regulation shows up in the 1995 Guide. So you see, all the government needs to do is deny Benelli Form 6's and prohibit importation. The M1014 doesn't actually have to be on any list. If the government finds the M1014 sporting and allows Benelli an exemption, then form 6's will be approved. We can only cross our fingers and hope. [ 10-21-2004, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: M4Madness ]
  9. The ball is in Benelli's court now. They requested that I fax a copy of the letter from the BATF to them, and I did just that less than an hour ago.
  10. You still have to get the number of foreign parts down to 10 or less to defeat 922® and add a telestock or mag extension. Even if either of these two parts were US-made, it still would not matter unless enough US parts are added for the shotgun to be considered domestic.
  11. I will fax a copy of the original BATF letter regarding the Benelli M1014 / M4 Super 90 shotgun directly to Benelli around 4PM EST tomorrow (Thursday, October 21, 2004). I'd sure like to see the M1014 exempted from 922®.
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