M4Madness

Gunbroker seems to be swamped with the desert camo versions right now. I almost bought one last night, but didn't due to the fact that I'd be adding a telestock and full-length mag tube when 922® compliance parts are available -- and neither would match the camo finish. As for refinishing, if it is Duracoat, then I'd see no problem with adding a new pattern over the old one. It may need to be scuffed up first for the new coating to adhere better. I'd definitely send it to a professional as opposed to doing it myself. Duracoat is pretty durable stuff - the rifle I had done in it wasn't scratched any, even after carrying it in the deer woods for three seasons. I was told by a dealer last night that the finish on the desert camo Benelli M4's wore off easily. Any truth to that?

I'm back after not being here for a couple of years. LOL! I have a couple of letters from the BATF regarding 922® compliance for the Benelli M4 shotgun, but they are old news now. The first one says that it consists of 11 parts, therefore only one part needs to be swapped. I put a US-made mag tube on the 11707 that I owned at that time, along with a telestock, only to have the BATF send me a second letter much later saying that they'd made a mistake, and that it had 13 parts. At that time, there weren't 3 US-made parts available, so I put it back in stock configuration, sold the shotgun, and then sold the stock for $75. Now here I am trying to get back in the game, and looking to buy what will be the third M4 I've owned (previously owned a M1014 and a 11707). EDIT: Well, after seeing that I had a pile of unread site messages (LOL!), it appears that I haven't been here since before the first one dated 04-14-2006! I doubt that any of the members who posted when I was here still post here.

I've got the same two firearms. I guess I should be looking for the same Pelican case.

You still banned? I pulled all the strings I could to get you back in, but there's nothing more I can do if you haven't heard anything.

No, just the deer gun.

First, you won't see any benefit from shooting sabot slugs from a smoothbore barrel. Second, I spent over $100 last fall testing various brands of sabot slugs from my fully-rifled Remington 870. The Hornady SST's had terrible 5-shot groupings at 100 yards -- 7" across!!! That was from sandbags and a bench rest! Remington 870 SPST 12-gauge with thumbhole stock Cantilever fully-rifled slug barrel Nikon 3-9X40 scope Solid shooting bench Two 25-pound sandbags - one front, one rear Test Method I fired 5-shot groups per brand, with about a minute between shots. Distance was a laser-measured 100 yards. Shotgun was allowed to cool while I changed targets. I ran a dry boresnake through the bore between different brands. All shots were extremely steady with no movement of the shotgun whatsoever during firing. Test Results: Hornady SST 5-shot: 7" ; 3-shot: 5 1/4" Winchester Platinum Tip 5-shot: 10 1/4" ; 3-shot: 6 3/4" Federal Vital-Shok 5-shot: 3 1/2" ; 3-shot: 1" Remington Copper Solid 5-shot: 3 3/4" ; 3-shot: 2 1/4" Winchester Partition Gold 5-shot: 9" ; 3-shot: 2" Remington Buckhammer 5-shot: 3 1/2" ; 3-shot: 1 1/8" [ 08-11-2006, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: M4Madness ]

What was it still doing on their shelf 3 1/2 years after it was made?

If it collapsed down, then someone had it machined to do so, as Benelli never shipped any of the 11701's with the working recoil tube.

I bet Benelli would have a fit if they knew. They're not even allowed to sell the +2 extensions to civilians anymore, let alone the full-length factory tubes. Benelli refused to sell me part #066J when I called them. But, on a happier note, I got around all that:

Benelli does not import the full-length tube models for anyone other than the military. Even LEO's have to use the +2 extension. And Benelli will not sell the full-length tube (#066J) here in the states. Believe me, I tried. Perhaps you are referring to getting two +2 magazine extensions installed?

It will come in the Benelli blister pack like the one shown in your photo. The ones in the links you posted are not factory extensions.

He said, "Don't grab my f***ing hand! Bend down and choke yourself!"

Cool photos of Gunny. I met R. Lee Ermey last October, and even shook his hand.

For the record, I'm pretty sure that it was Duggan who sold one on there recently for $510. [ 06-25-2006, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: M4Madness ]

Welcome to the M4 brotherhood.

Pelican Cases Just cut the foam yourself to fit.

Well, here's my match to jmikesteen's.

Mesa Tactical is getting ready to release a US-made 4-railed forearm very soon: F-CAM Granted, it won't be as cheap as the one you are talking about, Kendal.

Recognize the name?

Not out here in the country. I log on at 21K. They're claiming that they'll have DSL here later this year. Even with the terrible internet service, it sure beats living in town. I don't have to walk far to kill a big buck or a long-bearded turkey.

It took me 35 minutes to download, but it was well worth it to get it in PDF format. It sure beats the GIF format that I found above. Thanks! Now to continue my search for a hard copy...

Yeah, those people are lucky, as there aren't any more being made.

When I Google it, all I get are two PDF files that make references to TM 10698A-10/1, but not the TM itself.

TM 10698A-10/1 On the first page of the link above, just click the single arrow (>) at the top of the page to start scrolling through each individual page.

The M1014 (#11701) was the first version released to civilians. It was a limited edition run of 2500 shotguns, each denoted by a special serial number and an engraved American flag on the right side of the receiver. It has a fixed choke barrel and comes from the factory with a fake telescoping stock. The newest M4 (#11707) is identical to the earlier M1014, with a few exceptions: 1. The 11707 M4 barrels have the newest upgrades: screw-in chokes, the exterior flange where the barrel meets the receiver, and an added flange on the barrel extension. M4 Barrel Revisions There have always been rumors as to the M1014 having a thicker barrel. This could be proven/disproven rather quickly if someone would use a micrometer to measure both of them. 2. The 11707 M4 has the same recoil spring tube as the military version, which allows a telescoping stock to work correctly. 3. The 11707 M4 does not have the laser-engraved American flag or special serial number.