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Actually attended an AA meeting once for my psych rotation. It appeared to be a VERY good system with a lot of support.

Probably near what I think was about the OEM's $175-ish MSRP

Nothing fattens you up like beer, so I try to avoid it. I am also eccentric when sober. When I get drunk, it is usually epic. For those reasons, I never drink around people who I see every day, and I rarely drink around those I dont.

Meh, I only get drunk 3-4 times a year.

The stocks are going for $650 on here currently. M4's are all over the place from dealers. Where did you get the 6mo wait from? Of course, they are the 11707 version and not the M1014.

Oh, gotcha. Well, I guess you might need a bit more sleep then if you are not old.

He is in Kalifornia, it is 1930hrs there currently if I am not mistaken. His SN is also "1oldman". Old people go to bed late and get up early. They don't need but about 5-6 hours of sleep a night. If you call him now and he gets pissed you can just say I told you to and you can both be pissed at me. I don't care. : ) Then again, I am the kind of guy that if I saw you standing by a bathroom door in a bar waiting for someone to come out I would pound on the door and yell "Hey, **** and get out already." and walk off.

www.tinypic.com You have acknowledged that the price is indeed high, so I won't tell you that. However, you might also want to post on gunbroker as well. I have watched collapsible stocks sit around when priced at $700 on this site. The market on this site is currently at a "low" for most things M4 it seems. GL on your sale.

Yes. IC choke.

It seems that even the PS90 supporters agree with me. The PS90 is great for what it was designed for: A weapon for non-coms that will quickly put a LOT of lead on-target and go through body-armor. Since I don't have access to a full-auto PS90, this is about like dumping the engine from an Indy car into an F150. Worthless. Sure it's a great engine in a 1200# car, put it in a truck and try to tow something and the whole plan falls apart. So yes, in a small, full-auto weapon, the 5.7 is in its element. In anything else, it's just ill conceived. The wound tract it leaves is minimal, and the semi-auto operation removes the rate of fire advantage given by the low recoil. The PS90 is a well-built weapon, yes, perhapse I mis-spoke when I said it was a POS. I should have said that in the civilian roll without FA, the cartridge it is chambered in performs like a POS compared to other calibers. As to dogging people on here for talking smack about the PS90, no. That is not because it's a Benelli forum, it's because noone but people who own them think much of them against things other than varmints. This is from the police departments that have had bad OIS's involving them, and people like Dr. Roberts at Stanford who test such things. Don't blame the PS90's failure to impress on the forum. Blame it on what it is: Poor terminal ballistics. The 9mm JHP leaves a much alrger wound tract and does much better against cars, etc. The only place the 5.7 beats it is on body armor unless PBP ammunition is used, and we have 5.56's for that. I can think of NOTHING the 5.7 does besides give a larger magazine capacity, but if you can't do it with 30 rounds of 5.56, do you think you can with 50 rounds of 5.7? The wound tract from a 5.7 in no way compares to that of a 5.56 T2.

www.carriercomp.com sells the spring you need.

Blowing your wad inside can ALWAYS come back to haunt you... I just don't like the idea of a little polymer ball that could rebound and hit me in the face.

Good luck bear hunting with a 5.7. Just because one man went and did something stupid and got lucky doesn't mean everyone can. The 9mm has been used VERY effectively by the Russians against body armor. In fact, the 127gr +P+ Black Talon was going through some ClassIIa body armor when it came out. This is a regular JHP in 9mm. The Russian (9mm BPB) load is also a +P+ round, but with a different projectile design than the JHP obviously. It also has a lot more momentum than the 5.7 (better on cars). .22's have been used many times by Eskimo's to kill Polar Bears. Does this mean that the .22 is as good/better than the 5.7? Has a 5.7 been used to kill anything larger than a polar bear? According to your logic, the .22>5.7 Also, I have handled the PS90. They are only a POS when used for something they are bad at. Like a primary defense rifle (what else would you call it with a 16" barrel?). For plinking/vermin they are nice.

The felt wads used in the Sluggers and little plastic disk arn't that bad. If you truly want a solution, Brenneke's with their attatched wad eliminate this problem all togather.

I am talking about any 5.7 ammo. The SS190 is nothing more than a FMJ round that wont fragment or expand. It goes through kevlar? So does my 5.56. Yes, I am saying that the 5.56 T2 round has TONNES more stopping power than the 5.7. Most other 5.56 rounds do too.

We already know the OP is limited to 10 rounds. Fail.

The 5.7 was designed to be used in a full-auto short-barreled weapon with little recoil so that LOTS of rounds could be put on target to make up for the anemic terminal ballistics. Further, it was to be a rear-echelon weapon never meant to see combat. In this roll it does okay. Semi-auto and with a 10-round magazine and a crappy trigger pull, used as a primary defense weapon, I would say it is a POS--for that use. Now if you want to hunt vermin or paper or plink, I think it's awesome. Yep, bears have been killed by .22's also. Makes it good for self defense? I think not. Also, PLEASE quantify what you mean by "In the military the 5.7 round was superior". Superior to what? What testing backed this?

An odd logic train to ride is trying to say that a round that does less damage than a 9mm FMJ is somehow going to be a reliable man stopper.

Okay, why would you use a 5.7 when you can use a 5.56? Any particular reason? I have tried the 1911 and know why police departments don't use them. I don't either. Spotty reliability turns me off.

The list of those who DON'T use it is slightly longer... http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19913

Try some Remington Sluggers also. I don't like Truball as it sends 3 separate projectiles down-range that can do collateral as well as bounce back and hit you in the case of the stupid polymer ball at an indoor range or if shooting at a solid target.

Been a member of one of those forums for a while. Basically what they are saying is that in ideal situations, the PS90 does okay. Plenty of police departments bought into that and then ended up dropping the PS90 after it proved ineffective.

The 5.7x28 creates much less of a wound than a 9mm based on all the testing I have seen. I used to be a fan, but in light of hard evidence I cannot. ESPECIALLY if you only have 10 rounds.

Calico made a 100-shot .22 if capacity is your thing.

They are very reliable, accurate, and fun. Beyond that, I don't see much in them.