LeoAtrox

Oh no he di-in't. Wait, what? I don't even get that ... It's hard to not be happy with a Rock River "LAR". They are some of the best civilian-type AR's out there. When I built my son's semi-auto M16A4 clone, I chose RRA receivers and internals because they really are great. (He's got a Del-Ton heavy chrome-lined barrel w/ a NATO-spec chamber; but the RRA barrels with the Wylde chambers are great too.)

What's a Tom braider?

Well, speaking to your proposal of posting a list, I must infer that you believe that some harm might befall those who actively work to restrict the rights of citizens (or at least they would fear such a thing would happen). I'm against that idea for a variety of reasons, but mostly because I don't think it would matter to them. If history is any indication, gun grabbers are armed to the teeth. They just don't want anyone else armed.

Inciting violence against law-abiding citizens is not a protected activity under the First Amendment.

Good kits. They make the USMC standard issue cleaning kit now. (I guess the old A2 buttstock kit went out of fasion.) I have an Otis kit for my 6.8 SPC gun ... But in my opinion, they're a bit pricey for what you get. If you need something ultra-compact (like fit-in-your-pocket-or-on-your-belt size) and portable, or you want a super-big do-it-all kit, then Otis might be your style. If you just want a kit for a single caliber and don't need it to be ultra-compact (got a range bag?) I'd look elsewhere. You'll save yourself about $50.

I keep reading that ... Heck, I might have even typed it once or twice. But me personally, I really stretched the budget to get my M4. Coming up with the money for each accessory purchased is really difficult. I did get one of Carrier's titanium magazines, but so far that's it. Collapsible stock, handguard, SideArmor, etc. ... It's all way off in the distant post-lottery-winner future. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand if someone cannot afford to shell out even an extra $20 for an upgrade.

Wow. Good luck Pana. Hopefully it all ends up well and good for you. Then you can let us know how to get our own. (wink, wink; nudge, nudge)

I don't know exactly what the chemical composition of that is, but it is likely not any more volatile/flammable than your typical fresh smokeless powder ... Although, some smokeless powders may contain very small quanities of nitroglycerin left over from the manufacturing process. This isn't all that common; but it is a possibility. Take the necessary procautions suggested by Tucker to avoid a spark, and handle it gently. You're pobably safe not to baby it, but it wouldn't hurt.

There's actually a lot to consider, based on what is corroding and to what extent. First of all, if you're uncomfortable with the ammo, dispose of it properly. Don't shoot anything if you aren't reasonably certain that it is safe to shoot. If it's non-corrosive ammo and it just seems that the copper jacket on the projectile got a bit too much moisture, it may be safe too shoot. But I'm not going to tell you to shoot it ... I can't afford the liability; especially on ammo that I haven't examined with my own fingers and eyes. If the casing/brass is actually rusted or corroded, I would not shoot it. Dispose of it. If the corrosion or rust that you are speaking of has weakened the case, firing it could result in some unwanted consequences.

could you or anyone else please show me a real pic of a SWAT,LEO,NAVY SEAL or any tactical group from the last decade and not WW-II or vietnam,w/ a CQB shotgun w/ a bayonet attached?? heck, even an ar15- m4?? its just not practicle or they would use it. but if you like it, get it. Can't show you a pic; but the last bayonet charge from an allied military force happened in Iraq (2003 or 2004) by a group of Brits. Resulted in scattering the enemy. No loss of life to the Brits. There must be something about a group of guys charging with pointy things and screaming at the top of their lungs that just un-nerve a guy. The Marine Corps still insists on bayonet lugs on all service rifles. This is one of the reasons they pulled their support from the XM-8, which ultimately killed the project. The Mossberg 590A1 still in service with the Marine Corps has a bayonet lug. I don't mind there being a bayonet lug on a rifle or shotgun at all. But, in my opinion, the justification that it helps to prevent "gun grabs" is baloney. A person who is going to grab your weapon is going to do it with the primary intent of controlling the muzzle. A bayonet is at the muzzle. If you can't shoot 'em, you can't stick 'em either. A bayonet is there just for a SHTF moment. When you can't or don't have time to reload. Of course, you wouldn't keep your bayonet fixed; nor would you probably have it on you around your house. So it isn't for home defense. It's for that society-has-broken-down time that we ALL know is coming soon ... Yeah ...

LOL ... Hey now. I can see your point; but a non-magnified parallax-free optic with a high-visibility illuminated reticle is just as valuable at short range as it would be at long range. Ultimately, you have to know that you're going to hit what you're aiming at and nothing else. And having such an optic serves to take cheekweld and sight-alignment out of the aiming equation. That's a big deal in a high-stress situation; which I would assume one would be in if he/she ever had to pull the trigger in his own abode.

My understanding too. LAPD approved the use of the Benelli M4 Tactical; but it didn't buy them. Officers simply have the option of taking the M4 along as their duty shotguns at their own expenses. I hate leaving LEO's to hang in the wind by denying them fine tools to combat the insane criminals in their jurisdictions; but a company has to draw the line somewhere. I have to back them for it. Barrett did the same thing with the .50 caliber. They won't even service .50's from California or Hawaii. It's a shame, because California really needs to have vehicle interdiction capability. The State just doesn't care about the safety of its citizens and LEO's. All they care about is the appearance of "high moral character." Frankly, I don't think there's anything California can do to be looked at as an example of high moral character. That ship has sailed. Might as well allow your citizens and LEO's to defend themselves and end crisises as quickly and safely as possible.

If you're going to have a releasable buckle (like the Cobra) there's really no point in having QD attachment points. Fastex or Cobra ... Just use the OEM sling attachment points on the Benelli--on my M4, the front is positioned on the left side, so I'd use the left-side attachment point on the stock as well--and you've still got your weapon securely slung with the ability to drop it quickly if it gets hung up on something. I LOVE the concept of the AFG. Unfortunately, it probably won't work out well for many people on a carbine-length forearm. Because the forearm is shorter, the arm is more bent; and because the arm is more bent, the wrist would be put in a more uncomfortable position with the AFG. The AFG might be much better suited for mid-length and rifle-length handguards. I think I'd stick with a vertical grip on the carbine; unless/until they come out with an AFG that has a bit more vertical angle than the current one. (I never used the "thumb over" grip on a carbine. I don't have long arms, but the carbine handguards are still too short to allow for any real advantage in controlability with that hold ... At least, in my opinion.)

Minor weight differences shouldn't have a significant impact on the action. If it is too heavy, it might be tougher to move with the force of the expanding gasses; but there would have to be significant deviation for it to affect the reliability of the action. The diameter of the gas rings will have much more effect on this than the weight.

W.C. Wolff

I never cared much for QD attachment systems. I'll take a Fastex buckle over QD any day. QD's have a habit of detaching when they're bumped. I freakin' hate dropping hardware. Nothing will illicit a dirty look from your superior faster than the sound of a weapon hitting the ground.

Well, okay. But the only reason why the civilian M1014 is a "collectible" is because it is based on the M4 Super 90 adopted by the US military. Few paid all that much attention to the M4 Super 90 before the military chose it as its Joint Service shotgun and designated it the M1014. And the M1014 sold to civilians is not exactly the same thing. And as for the non-collapsing skeleton stock; that too is a civilian M1014 trait. Our military folks have the three-position recoil tube for the skeleton stock. I'd reckon--and you'll have to use your imagination because it is just not real--that the folks in the game are using the military M1014; not the civilian "collectible" based on it.

What do you mean "a collectible version with a crippled collapsible stock"?

Sorry, can't help you there. The only ones I know of are Gen. 2 or Gen. 3 units that cost over $2k ... All the cheap Gen. 1 units seem to be goggles or magnified.

+1 I will eventually get NV, but what I've been doing is getting optics that I can use with a single NV goggle/monocular setup. When I have money for NV, I'm not going to be able to afford several NV scopes to mount and zero. Rather, I'll get a single monocular; preferably one which can be both worn on the head/helmet and mounted directly in front of or behind an existing optic. Versatility is the key. I don't want a magnified NV scope because it can only be used with the weapon on which it is mounted and zeroed.

I don't think it's a matter of skills so much as it is access to the tools and a willingness to risk your investment. I can't afford a KZ right now as it is, so I'm definitely not willing to cut one up. And I don't have the tools ... But if I had the tools and the money, I wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing. It seems simple enough to do.

First of all, I disagree with your timeline. I don't believe that the SHTF will happen in the next couple of years. I think you're underestimating the level of complacency in America. It has given folks a very high tolerance for unpleasentness. Everyone thinks that problems will just blow over with time, so nobody wants to do anything. (For an example, just look at how the Democrats in our federal government are treating the threat of terrorism.) Canned foods are the way to go. They have the longest shelf life aside from dehydrated foods. The problem with dehydrated foods (although they are lightweight, compact, and last practically forever) is that they require water, or will otherwise suck the moisture from your blood when you eat them. In a real SHTF scenario, potable water will be a more precious resource than food. Best not to waste it. Coming from the US military, I have developed a preference for MRE's. I can tell you from experience that their shelf life is actually about three times what is printed on the containers, although the quality of the meal does degrade over time. I can live off a single MRE per day--and have several times--and the extras (gum/candy, hot sauce, heating tab, and plastic bag) can be used for other meals and purposes. They are a great "utility" meal and a must-have for when you can't be at home ... Although I still contend that you're better off with canned foods for your store room.

Now why can't someone make something like this in the first place? They just need to build a handguard without rails, and offer modular rail sections that screw on to the handguard. (Yes, I know the challenges and why Benelli went with a two-piece handguard; but it still shouldn't be that difficult to do.) Hey Panabax: Do you think the rails that screw onto (AR-15/M16) A2 handguards would screw into the holes at the bottom of your KZ handguards? Just curious ... I know clearance of the screws over the magazine might be an issue.

Depends on the animal. Dangerous game animals do tend to have thicker hides. Magnum rifle rounds penetrate better in those cases. But I get your point. In the case of self-defense, the "dangerous game" isn't more resistant to damage than deer.

I take that you haven't seen the results of a slug impacting a deer? Deer? Dangerous game? What type of deer are you hunting? I want in on that!