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  1. I generally agree with @ClackClackBAM, good advice. I’d also add that you’ll want to look at a couple of key upgrades: -Oversized bolt release: the stock one sucks, I have the GG&G one myself and like it a lot. -new shell lifter (TTI, FFT). The stock one can really cut up your thumb, I’d go aftermarket -Oversized safety. Makes manipulation a lot easier. I have a Dave’s Metal Works one, but there’s a few good options out there. -Forend: I’d honestly ask yourself if you need an MLOK forend as opposed to an IWC light mount. The real benefit of MLOK is getting the longer forend so that you can reduce barrel shadow with a light. But if you’re getting the 8” one, I don’t see the benefit myself. -Trigger: I did not like the stock trigger myself, went with FFT. I love it. YMMV.
  2. Awesome! Just got my first 308 too, Daniel Defense DD5
  3. Dont think it was the fact that was #4, but the ammo itself. The crimp lengths were too long after firing, causing failures to extract.
  4. Texas Pistol and Rifle Academy in the Dallas-Fort Worth Area. Tactical shotgun courses unfortunately dont seem to be very common anymore...
  5. My Background The M4 is my first shotgun, and I have never taken a formal training class with it. My M4 haD less than 200 rounds through it before this class. My Equipment The Shotgun M4 with a steel 7 round tube, C-stock in the middle position, and the following mods: Surefire Dual Fuel Light on an IWC QD Mount GG&G Bolt Release TTI Shell Lifter Aimpoint T2 on ADM Low Mount FFT Trigger Set and A&S Housing IWC QD Rear Mount VTAC 2 Point Sling Tactical Gear SOE 12 GA Micro Rig The Class This was a “Basic Tactical Shotgun” run by a well-regarded local outfit that I’ve trained with before. It’s the first of a three class progression. This class focused heavily on a handful of items: Understanding how the shotgun patterns and functions at different distances and with different loads. We ran a variety of 00 Buck, #4 Buck, and slug loads at 7, 15, 25, and 50 yards. We then ran the slugs all the way out to 100. This was done from standing, supported kneeling, and even prone position. Learning how to do combat and speed reloads. This was a major emphasis of the training and one that was eye-opening for me. Dynamically loading while engaging multiple reactive targets was fun. Doing “slug select” drills to dynamically change out the round that you have. Concluded with a “shoot house” engaging paper targets The temperature hovered in the low to mid 90s for most of the training, requiring us to build in plenty of water and cooling breaks. Lessons Learned Know what ammo your gun likes: I can say with confidence that I’m never using Fiocchi #4 Buck again. Had multiple, repeated failures to eject/extract that led to a lot of (unexpected, but valuable) experience in failure clearance drills. This was not an issue with either my Federal Tactical slugs or PMC 00 Buck. Malfunction drills require a lot more thinking than an AR or a handgun: It’s not as easy as “tap, rack, bang” with an M4. For example, FTEs because of an extended crimp are not as simple as cycling the bolt and smacking the receiver. Getting a live round back into the chamber once you clear also requires practiced discipline with the manual of arms. You feel every ounce of weight you drop off of this platform: The M4 is a heavy beast, especially when you’re using it for several hours during a 90 degree day. Dropping the Mesa side saddle helped, but I’m looking forward to replacing my steel tube with a titanium one. I may even SBS this thing and drop down to 14” barrel. This is an impressively accurate gun: With a 2 MOA red dot and Truball slugs, I was making consistent spine box hits at 75 yards, and was hitting “minute of man” at 100. I was not truthfully not expecting that out of this gun. For my fellow lefties, you have to work on modifying manual of arms: While the safety can be swapped and things like combat reloads might be easier because of visibility into the bolt, other drills are not. For example, grabbing a round off of a chest rig to do a slug select can be tricky. You have to rotate the gun, tuck it into your armpit, use your left hand to current round and hold it open long enough to drop in the new slug. Anyway, it was a very eye opening experience for me. I’m still sore (birdshot didnt come in in time, so ran the entire course with buck and slugs) and a touch dehydrated, but well worth the time and energy.
  6. FWIW I feel like MatchSaverz are a niche product. Makes a ton of sense for competition, but questionable for HD use. A side saddle is worth it if you want to be able to just grab and go and have some optionality (e.g. mix of slugs and buckshot).
  7. First @ClackClackBAM has issues with the fitment of his FFT trigger, now this. @nimslow was this trigger from the most recent batch?
  8. @Kyuss FYI the preorder is open on Benelli Parts for the muzzle brake.

    M4 Final Setup

    Looks like it’s a Taccom matchsaver on a Briley MLOK adapter that allows it to attach to the MLOK forend
  10. I mostly use Fiocchi #4 buck and PMC 00 buck
  11. Of course! At the end of the day, you’ve got to set up your weapon the way that it’s going to be most practical for you. In my case, because I run the stock in the middle position, I would not be able to get good sight picture (I’m also, shall we say, vertically efficient at 5’6” ?). Scalarworks makes great stuff and the RMR is a solid optic (have one on my Glock!).
  12. Thanks SD! @FJCowboy because I think he had a similar question on a different thread.
  13. I’m looking into getting a Salvo 12 suppressor, but if I do, I would want to SBS my (currently stock 18.5” barrel) M4. As I understand it though, the SBS barrel is not threaded for chokes, which is how the Salvo 12 attaches. Has anybody encountered this or found a way around it? Any suggestions?
  14. @SnidelyWhiplash here are a couple of photos of my setup. Always difficult to get decent sight shots, but hope it’s helpful. Note that I run my C-stock in the middle position.
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