NuckinFuts Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) What shells do you reccomend I use to break in my new gun and how many? Should I step up to 3 1/2's or will 3's be fine? Pick her up on the 18th. Does it cme with the 14oz recoil reducer or just the comfort tech stock? Edited December 10, 2008 by NuckinFuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlingitndn Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Back when I got mine I bought everything except sabot rounds. All were fun. Local skeet, trap and rifle range had requirements that they only allow certain types of ammo check with them first. If shooting on your own land then its all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody6.0 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 There is no break in persay for a pump shotgun. Although when I first used my SuperNova I didn't go crazy the right away and gave it the once over when done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaking Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 codys right, zero break-in. Just clean it when you get home. Novaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunNoob Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) As far as the gun coming with the recoil reducer or Comfortech stock, I would assume it depends on what model you ordered. There are several configs as far as I know. In regards to "breaking in" your shotgun; I see no reason to use the high powered stuff right away. Im not saying that it will hurt anything, but why take any chances? Regardless of what type of ammo you start out with, I would recommend a thorough cleaning prior to shooting it for the first time. Some here say that this is not necessary. While this may be true, based on my experience, its better to start off with a fresh, clean gun than not. Personally, my Benelli had all sorts of crap in it when I first bought it. As a side note, according to Benelli reps, after 20 to 30 rounds or so the gun will be considered "broken in". Edited December 11, 2008 by shotgunNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermionorama Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I just got a brand new supernova 12ga, my first shotgun. I took it out to a range to do some test patterning with a light 2.75" target load & it wouldn't fire. I tried several different shells from 2 manufacturers (winchester 1oz 7.5 shot & estate 1&1/8 oz 7.5 shot), none would fire. Looking at the fired shells, the primers had a spot of the heavy grease on them but they weren't significantly dented in. The grease spot must be from the firing pin, which came packed in this fairly heavy black grease. Nothing in the manual mentioned cleaning it out so I didn't. Overall I fired it at least 10 times without any shells going off. I called up Benelli & they suggested I try a heavier round, said that it should fire a heavier round & after a box or two should fire lighter rounds too. The CS rep said that the firing pin return spring was too stiff on a brand new gun for those light loads. I'm not too savvy about the construction of shotshell, but if the firing pin return spring is so stiff that the firing pin doesn't go far enough forward to 'whack' the primer sufficiently, how will a heavier load help? Is the heavier load going to have a primer that sticks out further/is more sensitive to shock? Would just dry-firing the gun some number of times (a few dozen? a few hundred?) work the spring sufficiently so that it isn't so stiff? Should I clean out the heavy grease that the firing pin came packed in? If so, should I replace it with grease, or just oil up the spring/pin/inside of the bolt assembly? If I am to take the CS rep's advice (which I plan to), what sort of load would people here recommend that I use? She didn't tell me exactly what to use, just said 'heavier loads'. Heavier as in more shot, or more powder, or bigger shot, or a longer cartridge? Maybe all 4? I don't want to buy 2 boxes of expensive 3.5" magnum 00 buck or rifled slugs if I can help it ($1+/cartridge? That price hurts almost as much as the recoil would!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunNoob Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 (edited) I just got a brand new supernova 12ga, my first shotgun. I took it out to a range to do some test patterning with a light 2.75" target load & it wouldn't fire. I tried several different shells from 2 manufacturers (winchester 1oz 7.5 shot & estate 1&1/8 oz 7.5 shot), none would fire. Looking at the fired shells, the primers had a spot of the heavy grease on them but they weren't significantly dented in. The grease spot must be from the firing pin, which came packed in this fairly heavy black grease. Nothing in the manual mentioned cleaning it out so I didn't. Overall I fired it at least 10 times without any shells going off. I called up Benelli & they suggested I try a heavier round, said that it should fire a heavier round & after a box or two should fire lighter rounds too. The CS rep said that the firing pin return spring was too stiff on a brand new gun for those light loads. I'm not too savvy about the construction of shotshell, but if the firing pin return spring is so stiff that the firing pin doesn't go far enough forward to 'whack' the primer sufficiently, how will a heavier load help? Is the heavier load going to have a primer that sticks out further/is more sensitive to shock? Would just dry-firing the gun some number of times (a few dozen? a few hundred?) work the spring sufficiently so that it isn't so stiff? Should I clean out the heavy grease that the firing pin came packed in? If so, should I replace it with grease, or just oil up the spring/pin/inside of the bolt assembly? If I am to take the CS rep's advice (which I plan to), what sort of load would people here recommend that I use? She didn't tell me exactly what to use, just said 'heavier loads'. Heavier as in more shot, or more powder, or bigger shot, or a longer cartridge? Maybe all 4? I don't want to buy 2 boxes of expensive 3.5" magnum 00 buck or rifled slugs if I can help it ($1+/cartridge? That price hurts almost as much as the recoil would!) Based on what you have presented here, I would strip the weapon down (using the Benelli owners manual as reference) and thoroughly clean it and lube it. I would also suggest taking a close look at the firing pin once you have everything pulled apart. Make sure that it, along with the spring, is CLEAN and then LIGHTLY lubricate it. Then check out its "action", along with the locking head mechanism. Maybe go out and buy a few snap caps or dummy rounds in order to effectively and safely check this (once, of course, the shotgun is re-assembled). In terms of using grease for lube, I would just use a quality synthetic-type lubricant (there are many to choose from) vs grease. Sure, there are some effective grease-type lubes out there, but I feel that unless you are going to be doing a h*lluva lot of shooting or plan on storing the weapon for many, many months, it isnt necessary. But, if you insist on using grease, make sure its a very light coat. In terms of what you were told about "light" rounds..I have not shot anything but Federal 2 3/4" low-recoil 00-Buck through my SuperNova tactical since I bought it brand new. I have run through about 30 -50 rounds so far without a hitch. Now, it may be possible that the ammo you have tried so far just has "hard" primers. But, Im willing to bet that your gun simply needs some attentive cleaning. Give this a try and go from there. If you are still having issues, then my limited guess would be either a weak firing pin spring or possibly issues with the hammer assembly. Even though this is a new gun, its still man made. BTW- Dont dry fire your shotgun without the use of snap caps or dummy rounds. Otherwise, you may wind up doing far more harm than good. Edited December 12, 2008 by shotgunNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermionorama Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Thanks, shotgunNoob. I consulted with a few other shotgun owning acquaintances about this as well, their assessment was similar to yours. I had cleaned/oiled the gun after I bought it, but had left the thick black grease in the bolt assembly because I wasn't sure if it was supposed to have a thicker lube in there; I figured that's the way it came so I'd leave it. Maybe it was benelli, or maybe it was the sporting goods store (scheels, they had it out on display) that I bought it from who put that thick black grease on/in the bolt assembly, but I wiped it off/washed it all out and then wiped the firing pin/spring down with cloth patches soaked in a light oil this evening. I'm going to buy a box of a bit heavier load and take it out sometime this weekend for another try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuckinFuts Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 I'm going to be really pissed off if my gun doesnt fire at all the first time out. I will be going out with my Dad who was trying to get me to buy a SBE and he'll never quit giving me **** if it doesnt operate. I will, of course, be cleaning the **** out of my gun before it's ever fired. I have seen other guns that if fired as they were put together at the factory would have broken or destroyed parts. Always check your stuff out yourself or let someone who knows better than you check it out to make sure thats its safe if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody6.0 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Wow I can't belive you had FTF's in a Supernova. I have ran everything from Federal and Winchester value packs to Winchester 3 1/2" buckshot with no issues. If you are having problems it is either mechanical or user error with a Supernova, you don't need to use specific loads or lengths. So either the firing pin is getting hung up or is messed up all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaking Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Wow I can't belive you had FTF's in a Supernova. I have ran everything from Federal and Winchester value packs to Winchester 3 1/2" buckshot with no issues. If you are having problems it is either mechanical or user error with a Supernova, you don't need to use specific loads or lengths. So either the firing pin is getting hung up or is messed up all together. YUP!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermionorama Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Like I said, it's my first shotgun so I'm not going to entirely rule out 'user error' but the operation seems pretty straightforward to me. I haven't had a chance to try firing again since I cleaned out the bolt assembly/firing pin, but I do notice that even with a shell chambered the forearm has about 2 millimeters of 'give'. To say another way, If I have a shell chambered & the bolt locked forward I can move the slide forward/back very slightly (~2mm), and the slide moves the bolt assembly with it (the bolt head stays locked up against the barrel opening). I can probably get some pics of this and post/link to them if it would help. Can another supernova owner check if theirs does this too? It could explain the failure-to-fire; if the bolt assembly was a few millimeters back then the firing pin wouldn't poke out past the bolt head as far as it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaking Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 To say another way, If I have a shell chambered & the bolt locked forward I can move the slide forward/back very slightly (~2mm), and the slide moves the bolt assembly with it (the bolt head stays locked up against the barrel opening). I'm thinking NO. If the bolt is truely locked, then there is no ''play" in the action. Next time you go to the range, (if it doesn't work) pull back on the action and see if it goes bang. Then hold the action forward all the way and see if it goes bang. Novaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuckinFuts Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Should not be any movement at all once the bolt is locked in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose2 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Oboy, wheres the know it all porker when you need him.:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmyg8586 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Has anyone bought this type of sling shot before that holds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunNoob Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) Like I said, it's my first shotgun so I'm not going to entirely rule out 'user error' but the operation seems pretty straightforward to me. I haven't had a chance to try firing again since I cleaned out the bolt assembly/firing pin, but I do notice that even with a shell chambered the forearm has about 2 millimeters of 'give'. To say another way, If I have a shell chambered & the bolt locked forward I can move the slide forward/back very slightly (~2mm), and the slide moves the bolt assembly with it (the bolt head stays locked up against the barrel opening). I can probably get some pics of this and post/link to them if it would help. Can another supernova owner check if theirs does this too? It could explain the failure-to-fire; if the bolt assembly was a few millimeters back then the firing pin wouldn't poke out past the bolt head as far as it should. My SuperNova tactical does the same thing. Just a bit of movement from the fore-end and just a bit less from the bolt, but movement for both parts is nominal. The locking head itself doesnt move at all. Either way, Ive never concerned myself with it due to the complete lack of issues after 50 rounds or more. I cant say WHY the play is there, but that it really doesnt seem to be a prob. Edited December 14, 2008 by shotgunNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermionorama Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I finally got to go back out after all the crummy weather over the last week, & the supernova fired everything I ran through it without any problems this time. I don't know if it was cleaning out all the heavy grease in the bolt, or if it was all the trigger pulls on the snap caps, but the gun works just fine now. I have to say Benelli's comfortech stock, at least in my limited experience, lives up to it's promises. The 3" magnum #4 buckshot shells I shot today felt about equivalent to 2.75" target loads that I went out shooting with a friend a few months ago (in his winchester pump not sure of the model), and the 2.75" target loads I shot today felt like nothing more than a stiff push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai552 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I WAS going to buy a steady grip for mine, but i too have a strong liking for my comfor-tech. My wrist doesn't like the standard shape so much but my shoulder likes it quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuckinFuts Posted December 24, 2008 Author Share Posted December 24, 2008 Well the gun has been tested and is shooting flawlessly. I will putting about 1000 rounds through it in the next few days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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