alfred10 Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 I want to use the M4 for homedefense. Will it feed rounds dry? How long before it fails in the field as in number of rounds dry before it starts to fail? Is CLP the best lube for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 I want to use the M4 for homedefense. Will it feed rounds dry? How long before it fails in the field as in number of rounds dry before it starts to fail? Is CLP the best lube for it? 1) - Some work dry, some don't. There is absolutely no reason to run it dry, as you are inviting all types of friction related problems. Just don't do it. 2) - You see reports on this board of people who buy a new M4, don't lube it, and can't even get through a mag without friction based stoppages. Do you really want to find out if your M4 is going to cycle dry when you have an intruder in your house and need your m4 the most? 3) - CLP is a pretty good preservative, mediocre cleaner and a pretty awful lube. Get a proper dedicated oil that holds up to heat and doesn't evaporate and leave your firearm bone dry like CLP does. There are tons of options out there ... I use Machine Gunners Lube. Lack of proper lubrication is one of the main causes of all m4 problems ... don't be a statistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred10 Posted May 2, 2010 Author Share Posted May 2, 2010 Whats the best gun lube that lasts long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Whats the best gun lube that lasts long? Anything from Machine Gunners Lube to Mobil1 motor oil. There is a huge market ... it shouldn't be hard to find a dedicated gun oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super33 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Where's a good cheap reliable place to order Machine Gunners lube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Where's a good cheap reliable place to order Machine Gunners lube? Here ya go Super http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=128 Later, Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred10 Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 How often would I lube a benelli m4 on average with CLP if it is kept under my bed to keep it running 100 percent reliable? What are the lube points? Can I use grease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 How often would I lube a benelli m4 on average with CLP if it is kept under my bed to keep it running 100 percent reliable? What are the lube points? Can I use grease? Just don't use CLP. Use a good dedicated lube and it shouldn't evaporate, and if you leave the weapon horizontal it won't slowly drip down into the stock either. Lube points are pretty much the bolt carrier and the receiver rails ... that's where all the friction is. You want the bolt carrier to cycle as smoothly as possible ... this eliminates all types of problems with weak ammo, bad posture, you name it. A little lube on the sides of the bolt (not the face) wouldn't hurt either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 1) - Some work dry, some don't. There is absolutely no reason to run it dry, as you are inviting all types of friction related problems. Just don't do it. 2) - You see reports on this board of people who buy a new M4, don't lube it, and can't even get through a mag without friction based stoppages. Do you really want to find out if your M4 is going to cycle dry when you have an intruder in your house and need your m4 the most? 3) - CLP is a pretty good preservative, mediocre cleaner and a pretty awful lube. Get a proper dedicated oil that holds up to heat and doesn't evaporate and leave your firearm bone dry like CLP does. There are tons of options out there ... I use Machine Gunners Lube. Lack of proper lubrication is one of the main causes of all m4 problems ... don't be a statistic. I tried some TW25B and it kicked ass> previously I used LaRue MG Lube, but the TW seems a little slicker actually, for this application. Only an idiot would run any firearm dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 How often would I lube a benelli m4 on average with CLP if it is kept under my bed to keep it running 100 percent reliable? What are the lube points? Can I use grease? TW25B. Anything where you see shiny aluminum or slicked-up ano. If it rubs, it gets grease. (Except the pistons...). If it rotates, it gets oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Yeah, I use the TW25B on my M4 also, it's good stuff. I bought it for my Glocks a couple years ago and have been using it for a lot of things ever since. Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krecon1 Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'm a fan of Slip 2000. I'm in the desert so I try to run as dry as possible and Slip 2000 still provides the needed lubricity when wiped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodfu Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Although lube definitely took care of things for a while, I found using the higher power stuff was the only real way to get it to function every time. I've been doing a lot of competitions lately with my M4 and the only bird shot that works every time I pull the trigger (as opposed to one stoppage every 4-5 shots) is the Remington 1300fps Nitro 1 1/8th oz #7.5 bird shot. It's powerful stuff and I didn't have a single stoppage in 140+ rounds for the day. Everything else had issues, even up to the Winchester AA equivalent to the Remington one mentioned above. It's a little frustrating at times. The entire thing is massively wet with Remington lube with teflon in it. That said, any kind of regular power buckshot is going to be more than powerful enough to cycle the M4. The kick on standard 00 buckshot is way more than even this high power birdshot will ever give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'm a fan of Slip 2000. I'm in the desert so I try to run as dry as possible and Slip 2000 still provides the needed lubricity when wiped off. Dust-testing by the military proved wetter is better in the desert/sand/dust with regard to the M4 platform. Since the M4S90 also has a camming bolt, and a BCG that slides on aluminum "rails", and is also gas operated, and also has a buffer/tube/spring assy. I have drawn the conclusion that it will probably work better wetter, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Although lube definitely took care of things for a while, I found using the higher power stuff was the only real way to get it to function every time. I've been doing a lot of competitions lately with my M4 and the only bird shot that works every time I pull the trigger (as opposed to one stoppage every 4-5 shots) is the Remington 1300fps Nitro 1 1/8th oz #7.5 bird shot. It's powerful stuff and I didn't have a single stoppage in 140+ rounds for the day. Everything else had issues, even up to the Winchester AA equivalent to the Remington one mentioned above. It's a little frustrating at times. The entire thing is massively wet with Remington lube with teflon in it. That said, any kind of regular power buckshot is going to be more than powerful enough to cycle the M4. The kick on standard 00 buckshot is way more than even this high power birdshot will ever give. That is really kind odd, or so I thought until I got to the part where you lube it with junk lube. Get rid of the junk lube and your M4 will probably run stuff like mine does, 1145fps target loads and crap. No problems. Never. I can hold limply in 1 hand and it cycles remington #6 1oz low-brass @1290fps. TW25B Use LaRue MG Lube Slip2000 FP10 Weapon Shield CLP Regular CLP ANYTHING but WD-40 or Rem-Oil, lol. (listed in order of my preference) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodfu Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 So I'm looking at the mil-comm site, this is more of a grease than an oil, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 So I'm looking at the mil-comm site, this is more of a grease than an oil, right? Yeah, TW25B is a light grease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 So I'm looking at the mil-comm site, this is more of a grease than an oil, right? Try it....You'll like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrydog Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 That is really kind odd, or so I thought until I got to the part where you lube it with junk lube. Get rid of the junk lube and your M4 will probably run stuff like mine does, 1145fps target loads and crap. No problems. Never. I can hold limply in 1 hand and it cycles remington #6 1oz low-brass @1290fps. TW25B Use LaRue MG Lube Slip2000 FP10 Weapon Shield CLP Regular CLP ANYTHING but WD-40 or Rem-Oil, lol. (listed in order of my preference) Why do you prefer FP10 over Weapon Shield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Why do you prefer FP10 over Weapon Shield? Sorry, I got that one out of order Weaponshield is George Fennel's evolution of FP10 (he created it also) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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