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Look at this thread to see what's wrong with the swivel.

No clue. I haven't really ever heard anything good about them except in the article. I was under the impression that they were fairly cheaply made guns. Of course, I'm no expert.

Copied from another forum, but it answers the question nonetheless: Full story here: http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20050623/localnews/2167506.html Ithaca Gun closes after 124-year run The Associated Press AUBURN -- Mired in debt and struggling to compete, the Ithaca Gun Co. has ended production after more than a century in business. "We're just tapped out, we can't do it any longer," Andrew Sciarabba, one of seven investors who own Ithaca Gun Co., told The Post-Standard of Syracuse. Closure of the company, which had 26 employees, comes less than a year after it received $150,000 from Cayuga County for operating expenses. Ithaca Gun had missed its May and June payments on the loan, for which it had put up its equipment as collateral. The company reportedly had recently completed a move from King Ferry to Auburn. Sciarabba, whose group acquired the company out of bankruptcy in the mid-1990s, said Ithaca Gun was several hundred thousand dollars in debt. Sciarabba said the company also owed several years worth of back excise taxes to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The gun company, which had operated on a 2-acre site on Ithaca's Lake Street continuously since 1880 manufacturing shotguns, went bankrupt in the 1980s and was bought by new owners in 1989 and relocated to King Ferry. Even though the company moved away from Ithaca more than 15 years ago, the news of its closure came as a disappointment to local hunting aficionados who admired its products. "I think it's a terrible thing," said Joe Ripchick, who answered the phone Wednesday at Jay Street Rod & Gun Inc., a local gun store that is owned by a friend. "They are an awful good gun. They have a lot of product out there," Ripchick added. "At one time it was one of the bigger things down here (in Ithaca). "It gave Ithaca a good name," he added. Ithaca Gun began production in 1880, and soon became known for making affordable and durable shotguns such as the Deerslayer and Deerslayer II. "The closing of Ithaca Gun is another sad, but not unexpected, chapter in the life of one of America's oldest gun companies," said Dave Henderson, a lifelong sportsman who writes a twice weekly outdoors column for The Journal and other area newspapers. "This marks the third financial failure under the 124-year-old Ithaca Gun name in the last 20 years and, frankly, wasn't unexpected given the shaky status of both the company and the firearms business in recent years." Sciarabba said investors hope someone will buy the company's well-known name and resume production in Central New York. But, he said, "I don't know if that is going to happen." Meanwhile, that could shake the confidence of consumers who own or would like to buy an Ithaca-made gun -- and those who sell the firearms. "More than a few people have guns at the Ithaca Gun service department awaiting repair and have no recourse to recover them," Henderson said. "Certainly consumers will be reluctant to purchase an Ithaca from a dealer with no guarantee of customer service after the sale, which leaves dealers with guns in inventory that they cannot move." In addition to more than a century of gun production, the company's legacy in Ithaca also includes decades worth of lead pollution. Spent lead shot was disposed on land near Ithaca Falls as part of operations. A federally led clean-up program, begun in 2002, removed thousands of tons of lead-contaminated soil from the area at a cost of around $4 million. Some buildings remain standing on the factory site, where a North Carolina man has for several years been considering redevelopment plans that would include lead clean-up in that area. [ 06-23-2005, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: sdkidaho ]

Definitely wouldn't buy it in camo and pay to strip it. I'd wait extra time to get it in matte, rather than do that.

Reading about it in another forum it would seem that they are closed up tight. Whether they reopen or not will remain to be seen, but I'd be skeptical of that if the place has the doors closed. Maybe someone will buy them out and manufacture there stuff elsewhere, but who knows.

You suck. But point taken. I'm happy to lurk until the finances are built back up and make sure that I get more advice at that point in time, and along the way. Renting them is a good idea. I don't actually belong to any clubs around here, so I'll have to look into that and see what I can come up. Also, it's very appreciated that you would offer to let me shoot your gun. Thanks

Tucker, you were supposed to assure me that my choice of the SBEII was still the best choice. Decisions, decisions. No worries, I've got time still since the shotgun funds were drained.

How about the Beretta Xtrema2 in comparison? Admittedly I haven't researched much about any other shotguns, simply because I like my Benelli Nova so well. The SBEII vs. the Xtrema2 seems to be worth comparing if someone is considering gas versus inertia, but then again, I'm a complete shotgun novice so I could be completely wrong. But, since I think Tucker is shotgun smart fellow, I thought it best to ask here, and this thread seems appropriate considering it was asking about gas vs. inertia. Here are some of the other comments I'd gotten when asking about these two shotguns: Love the idea of less recoil. Less maintenance = a good thing, especially for a shotgun newbie, right? Lighter loads maybe a problem in the inertia guns, though again, admittedly I couldn't say what a lighter load is. I use the Remington Game Loads but that is also in a 20ga, so that's only a 7/8 oz shot, I would assume that I'd be using heavier loads in the 12ga. So in comparison off that Remington page, is the 1oz shot going to have a problem cycling in the inertia driven shotgun? Too many question and choices.

Only had a month or two left to save up for that new SBEII and it was mine, all mine. Well, I had decided long ago that I was going to have someone train my new birddog, rather than attempt to do it myself as I know absolutely nothing about it, and the cost is significantly more than what I had been lead to believe. Aww well, looks like next year for a new gun. Dang it...

Oh, and btw, if your local regs say three shells only, they mean three shells only, not that it's ok to have a fourth floating in there Besides, if you can't knock it down (whatever "it" may be) in three shots, maybe you need more practice.

Two threads: http://www.benelliusa.com/forums/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/1310.html#000000 http://www.benelliusa.com/forums/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/1323.html And one with pictures: http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=40511 Oh, and all I did was take Tuckers advice. I did a search on "sbeII 4th shell" and had those links in less than 30 seconds. Enjoy. [ 06-14-2005, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: sdkidaho ]

The dudes right, Ballons: Buoyancy or lightness in movement that allows a dancer to rise and fall smoothly. Although, I'm having a "tiny" bit of trouble finding rediculously at http://www.dictionary.com I'm also not sure why you would put a buoyant dancer on the end of your shotgun.

Ridiculous balloons?

I had bought some Federal loads, and I can't recall what they were (I really wish I had kept the box) for my 20ga Nova pump. Almost every one of those shells became jammed in the gun after firing. So much so that it required taking the gun appart to extract the spent shell. I hated Federal after that and stuck with Remington from then on. I don't think these Federals at Walmart are the same model of shell, but I am hesitant to buy them. The price looks good though or is that about right for just about anywhere else?

How about Tom Knapp site for your new SBEII? http://www.easyhitusa.com/pg/Product_Info.asp If that fails, borrow some of your wifes nail polish and put a dot of color on the trigger guard.

I went into Walmart last night to get my watch band fixed and while I waited I hit the sporting goods section. They have Federal and Winchester shells on sale right now - 100 rounds for $15. Are these good shells or is it more low end crap like you guys were talking about with their guns?

TGG, I'm new here (relatively speaking) and am just wondering - are you serious? If so, why do you torture yourself by reading a Benelli forum?

Time to come into this century.

The rubber washer is a good idea, but I'd rather have the design flaw fixed or find a swivel that won't tear up the gun.

Very impressive. Starting to wish more and more that I had some property along the river to be able to do this kind of thing. Looking forward to the updated pictures. Just a heads up on a useful tool: http://www.photobucket.com - they allow you a free account and you can host your pictures there for free as well. Fairly easy to use to share out your pictures to others.

Dang, this forum needs a few new threads going in it. Upland hunting is what I have enjoyed most since giving up big game hunting. Big game became too much like work - go out, knock something down, then the fun is over and the work begins. I don't have that same feeling when I go out and enjoy the woods, take a few birds and come home with them. A heckuva lot less work to pack out one to eight birds in a vest as compared to an elk. AND I still get to be out in the woods and hunting. Last fall I bought myself a hunting companion. Uli (pronounced ooo-lee) is a German Shorthair. He's coming up on ten months old in the next five days and is very much a pup still. I'm looking forward to hunting with him this fall and hopefully enjoying upland game all that much more. Hopefully I'll be able to have him do a little retrieving as well and then maybe I can start to do some waterfowl as well, as that is something I've never done at all in all of my time hunting. So far I have primarily enjoyed hunting Ruffed grouse, and last fall found that we have a fair number of Blues in my area, though I've not seen any yet. I think I'll be trying to find a few spots for pheasant as well, which that is another bird I've not taken. We also have quite a few Hungarian Partridge in my area so we'll be trying to take a few of them also. Lots of hunting to look forward to this fall.

When I asked the question about barrel length I was directed to this article: http://espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/s/h_fea_02_long_and_short_F&HN.html Thanks Tucker.

Is that post where you can hook the sling standard on the SBEII? Or is that one he installed himself? My Nova pump has two locations for the brackets like TGG mentioned to hook on - I didn't have to add anything to the gun at all and they don't seem to be doing any damage. Notice where they are on the Nova Pump: http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/large.tpl?Image=nova-12ga-large.jpg And I guess I hadn't noticed it before, but I guess that looks like one on the SBEII (the top end location, that is): http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/large.tpl?Image=sbe2-timber-large.jpg Man, that is a suck location for that. Even the swivels that TGG mentions look like they will dig into the gun, won't they? Not to mention that the swivel that TGG gave a link to looks like what he (Waylon) already has - that's just a side shot of the same type of swivel, isn't it? [ 06-05-2005, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: sdkidaho ]

Looking forward to hear more about your rumor. Still saving my pennies for my SBEII, but just in case I don't mind waiting til after August if this is true.

Howdy, I've just been trying to find one shot type that will be versitile enough for everything. I'm sure that isn't possible by while I was checking out this chart from Federal's website , I noticed that some shot sizes and chokes used were all in common. What I'm wondering is why do people use lead versus steel versus tunsten, etc...? And why the different sizes and what are the advantages to these differences? What I'll be hunting: -Pheasant -Grouse (several variety: Ruffed, Blues, Sage, Prairie) -Quail (Maybe, not a lot of these in my area) -Dove -Ducks (Ranging is size from Mallard to Teal, so large, medium and small sized ducks) -Geese (Maybe, not sure about geese yet or not) So, from the chart on that website, the commonalities I am seeing are this: -Modified choke. Should be good for 20-30+ yards, and is recommended for all of the birds I've listed above. -Size 6 shot for the Upland game birds, with the exception of Dove which looks like 7 is the largest recommended for that. -Size 4 shot for Duck. -Size BB shot for Geese. -Lead or steel for upland game birds. -Steel or Tunsten for Waterfoul. So, what are your preferences? I'm thinking if it patterns well I could just go with: -size 6 steel shot with a modified choke for upland game (with the exception of Doves maybe). -Size 4 steel shot with a modified choke for ducks. -Size BB steel shot with modified choke for geese. So that would be the same choke, and three diffent sizes of steel shot. I guess the only other consideration would be price, as I assume that lead shot is cheaper than steel shot?