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Roger that creeper. Your right on all accounts. Most companies need to work on customer service. We don't have the economy to support companies who do support their customers right now. So hopefully it will change.

I'm not one to bash anybody or anybody's product. But it really did upset me that they kept the rail for a month, never even contacted me and when I would contact them it was always we will call you back, then I received back exactly what I sent them. It even still had the tape on the bag where I taped the screws in the little baggie. They would have had to cut the tape to open the bag. So I know they never even looked at it, addressed the issue, or was concerned about it. Its a duty weapon, so I can't have stuff flying off of it when I need it. I also am very meticulous when it comes to torque specs and mounting stuff properly. What I found out later was the screws that they were using were of very poor quality. Had a high carbon content and the threads rolled over if you tried to tighten then. Also was the countersink issue. The fact that they didn't want to address it and blamed it on Benelli was pretty poor. Their exact words were Benelli's receivers were out of spec and that was the issue. It wasn't their add on part. I honestly tried to work it out with them and never was an ass about it, but I guess not being an ass, they felt that they could just blow me off and not address the issue. I spoke with Mitch about it several times, and it was always we'll call you back. I promise. Well, it's been a few months, and still no call. You can only do that to so many customers before it finally gets out and starts to hurt your business. But hey, I guess that they have such a large customer base that pissin on one or two customers isn't gonna hurt them. Oh well, live and learn..... The specific issue was the screws wouldn't stay tight. Before mounting I called Benelli and asked them for torque specs. I was told somewhere between 12 and 15 in/lbs. After I realized they wouldn't stay tight, I tightened all the screws, pulled the trigger group out and inspected the depth of the screws. None of the screws were deep enough into the receiver. I then removed all the screws and measured them. The longest screw was 9.75mm. The shortest was 9.27mm. So none of the screws were 10mm in length. This started calls to Mesa. Which at first they told me I measured them wrong, so I re-measured again, and came up with the same measurements. Then the, well, its' Benellis fault scenario started. Finally they admitted they had an issue with the screws and countersinking. I don't think I had a counter sink issue, but the screws were of poor quality and too short. I ended up ordering some 15mm Stainless Steel screws myself and cut them individually to fit each mounting point just in case there was a countersinking issue. I haven't had an issue since. The time frame was from probably June or July of last yr. till November. So it lasted several months. The last month was where I sent it in and it sat on somebodys' desk and they just waitied a month and sent it back to me to shut me up I guess. Sometimes paitence is a virtue, but I think I was way too paitent for this issue.

Mesa needs to take better care of their customers instead of blowing them off. I had an issue with my 6 shot carrier for my M4. At first they said it wasn't their fault, blamed it on Benelli and said it was their issue. Then finally decided to admit they had an issue and it probably wasn't Benelli's fault. I sent it back and it took over a month to get a replacement, only to find out it was the exact same one I sent them. I marked it and the screws before I sent it to them and got the same exact one back with the same exact screws. So they never even opened it or looked a it. Total waste of my time.

http://www.armthepopulace.com/catalog/ 706.654.5614 Ask for Geoff (Jeff)

Good Stuff Devil Dog.....

That would be what I would go with then. The Titaium. Especially using it for work. A little extra strength goes a long way.

Wouldn't the Titanium be stronger Cleefurd? If so, I would go for the Titanium. Comfort and strength are a plus for me, if the overall package becomes better.

Thanks for the clarification Duggan, I guess I did have it backwards.

Duggan, correct me if I am wrong, but I have been told by more than one person that if you get too much weight on the M4 it may not cycle properly, have I been given some mis-information?

As finicky as the M4's are, you start hanging a bunch of stuff off of it, it might not like it. LOL

Oh, I will definitely be going next yr. This is the first one I have missed in 4 yrs. School/Work got in the way and it was impossible this yr. I will be tied up till mid May. So I look forward to next yr.

You guys have a blast, I am missing this one unfortunately....

Thanks for the info. Ya, I didn't want to mar up the nut, so I have been holding off till I got the correct tool. Thanks again

Thanks Cleefurd. Any idea where I can get a wrench that small?

Anybody know the correct size of the nut under the front sight post? The smallest I have at the house is a 7mm open end wrench and its too big. I have been to Sears, AutoZone,O'Reillys, and the hardware store looking for something small enough to take it off with, but no luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Ya, I never figured the tube, I thought it might be the follower, but it appeared to be the same size as the stock Benelli follower. I am gonna bust it down this weekend and Mike it all against the stock components and see what I come up with. I have never heard anything negative about the surecycle stuff, but I just wanted to throw it out there and see if anybody else was coming up with the same issue by chance. Just spoke with Cleefurd via email and I will be ordering a couple springs today. Thanks cleefurd. Thanks for the info guys.

I didn't want to jack a post, so I thought I would start a new topic. I have never been able to get 7 rounds in my M4. Only 6. I have Federal Tru-ball Slugs, Federal 00 Buck, and Wolf 00 Buck here. I also have tried the dummy ammo, again, only 6 rds. The closest I have come to 7rds. is with the Federal, it was close but not quite enough. I have socomguys full length tube and the SRM performance follower and spring. Can anybody give me any insight into why I cannot seem to get a 7th round in my tube? Thanks in advance,

Its on my M4. Got the last one on the planet LOL. Seriously though, You can still call surefire direct and get it. Not sure why it isn't on the site anymore. They do list it in their catalog 08 though.

Do you have a website or anything? I looked up your company and couldn't find out any information on it? Thanks in advance, and yes I would be interested if the price is right.

http://www.tacticallink.com/

I use a burris Fast fire. It sits low, is all metal construction and works very well for a red dot sight. Can't get much lower than it on a Benelli. http://www.burrisoptics.com/fastfire.html

Damn, not bad for the first post. Pretty quick

The price sucks, but in all honesty your not gouging anybody if they will pay for it. Thats the beauty of capitalism. Sooner or later somebody will want it bad enough that they will pay the price for it. Naw, your not gouging, don't worry about it.

Just remember, you get what you pay for. Not sure how well a $30 piece of plastic would protect a $1500 weapon. If it is not getting banged around, I guess it should be alright, but I still wouldn't trust it with my investment. I would rather pay the $200 and know it would be protected. Thats why I use Hardigg storm cases, plus they have a lifetime unconditional warranty.