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Do you have family, is this the main issue at hand? If so, why don't you all have a plan in case of a B&E to make sure you know where everyone is. Spend some time thinking about your floor-plan.

True, he is yet another proponent of buckshot use though. Everyone is a proponent of buckshot out in the real-world and not in their errorted "What about beind door #1" world is. Guy was a cop for years.

According to the math, it won't matter what you have in the end. Guns are evil and meant to enforce government rule. Not for civilian ownership.

Not interested, just trying to help you determine what you have. Anyone who knows anything about M4's will want to know if it will: Accept a telescoping stock, is a 2 or 4 port.

How many gas-ports are in the barrel? How many notches are on the recoil tube? Is there a flag engraved on the reciever?

You are technically correct, but every cop I ever shot with or talked to or sold stuff to (including an M4) never had a problem. It's just one of those things I guess.

Birdshot can certainly kill and maim as well, but as posted in the original article--it takes longer/isn't as efficient. Not really important factors when it's that kid of yours, but VERY important to consider when it's that 240# drunk guy who used to play college ball and who has it in his head that he's going to be killing someone that night. Also, I would challenge you to do something: see how often projectiles have penetrated a perp and then killed the wrong person, or how often they have penetrated walls WHILE BEING FIRED at a home-invader, and killing someone. Yes we all hear about "accidents", but I am talking about a shooting, during a home invasion, that resulted in the death of someone unintentionally due to it penetrating more than it should have. I would wager that those incidences, while certainly possible, are very very rare. Certainly more rare than people being killed because they used too little gun. Noone ever said Buckshot--or any firearm/projectile combo was safe. It's not meant to be target-friendly. Use intelligently, fire from angles where you won't hit family members. My roommate is in no danger and I am running 124gr+P Ranger T in 9mm currently. Why is he in no danger? Because unless he is 8 feet tall, I am not going to hit him shooting from the kneeling/prone position from my bed. I am not going to go kicking through my house hunting someone. I don't have **** in my house worth risking even a bloody nose for handly (college appartment) that isn't in my room with me. Ergo, I am not taking action unless my room door is kicked in, or my roommate's door is kicked in. At which point critical thinking, aiming, and all that come into play. My point is this. A gun is a tool. It is a lethal tool. Use your brain and it will work for you, just go spraying like an idiot and it will work against you. What if you treated your car like these birdshot fanatics seem to think shotguns should be treated? It would be like driving without attempting to steer. Apparently they want a load that they can go blasting around their house with without thinking about who is behind what door. If you drove like they seem to advocate shooting, you would need a car made of nerf to be safe.

So why not err on the side of caution and use as much gun as you can comfortably handle loaded with a projectile(s) that penetrate 12-18" reliably in gel/OIS autopsies? (while people usually arent 18" thick, the skin on the back is = to about 4" of gel, and clothing is equal to another couple. This is why rounds that penetrate a lot in gel are usually found inside perp's clothings at OIS scenes.)

If you have a FL tube, buy a field-stock. Or get rid of the tube. Those are your 2 options at this time. End of discussion pretty much.

Correction: Only idiots use bird-shot. Not all idiots only use birdshot.

Won't matter. 1 story in court is always better than two

I don't cheat people who buy multi-thousand $$ semi-exotic weapons.

Have to re-ano over it

Yes, if you hold up a Thrifty with it or something, they will throw 922R at you in addition to all the other crap.

Consider at least #4 buck. OO is not necessary, and #1 is the generally accepted minimum, but #4 should do well enough for you as long as they aren't clad in leather or something. It may shock you, but OO will only reliably go through one 2x4, and even then it only has enough energy to just dent the 2x4 behind it usually. Buckshot is not the horrid penetrator people make it out to be on hard stuff like wood, etc. Sheetrock, it will go through, but as one poster in our last "birdshot is safer" thread noted, a load of #7-1/2 went through a wall and killed someone a goodly (across room IIRC) distance away from the wall. If you are going to pull the trigger. Know what is beyond your target, and then hit your target with something worth hitting it with!

No, this is an import ban, not about the AWB. No cop has given me any issue. I sold a 922R violating M4 to an officer once as well. Didn't have a problem. This whole 922R thing is WAY overblown.

They go for around $1500 NIB from a dealer online if they are the 11707 model.

+1, will be glad when people stop going against the proof of experience and pretending to know better than those who have BTDT and trained entire generations of other guys who have BTDT.

Sure you did. You responded to a factual statement with a personal attack.

Much more chance of ATF cruising this forum, getting your IP, knocking on your door (You think that is far fetched? There was a guy on ARF.com who bought a stolen ACOG, FBI showed up at his work-place and asked for it back. Huge thread about it a few months ago) than you are to be accosted at the range.

Meh, face it. There is no way currently to have a 922r legal Benelli M4 and retain both a PG stock and the FL mag-tube. Period. End of story. Can't happen with current publically available parts. Does it matter? No. Will people quibble over it nonetheless. Yes. It would be like me getting a tuner to create a fuel-trim that would allow my Trans Am to function optimally on Mt. Everest. Might I drive up there one day in it? I guess it is within the realm of physically possible if money was no-object and I used a VTOL aircraft to get me there. However...

Maybe it can go full-retard with threats of in-person beat-downs and background checks

*sigh* Ignorance can be cured, but stupid is forever. I will stick with advice from Pat Rogers, Dr. Roberts, Evan Marshall, Chris Costa, etc. and you can stick with your combat tour or whatever else. I have just seen to many ineffectives who "saw combat" to cite being deployed as a reference for competency with a weapon/ammo selection. Girl I go to school with did small arms repair. She told me horror stories about what a grunt could accomplish, as did my USMC roommate and personal experience shooting along side them at the range has borne out. It is funny to watch the fail though when some .mil guy can't connect with a 14x14" target at 25m with his AR because he can't zero it. I usually wait until they are on their last mag and then go fix the problems. Last time it was some guy trying to co-witness Airsoft optics on a bushmaster carbon 15 "pistol". After I fixed his weapon and even offered to let him shoot my M4S90, the 'tard says "naw man, I just wanna drive that car, is it yours?!". I was out of shells anyways so I just packed up and left. Stupid sickens me. It also goes to prove--some people--you just can't help.

You just have a problem taking advice from knowledgeable sources and will kick and scream all the way up when someone tries to drag you away from your faulty belief system. There is no helping you. I sometimes wonder why I try to help people who cannot be helped, maybe that's just my confrontational side. I digress.

Out of curiosity, which gen Talons are you using? I just bought 2 cases of the revised T-series and have been VERY impressed with the evolution of the round from an iffy performer in the late 80's to what it is today.