xamoel Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 hi guys, as you may know, i've been doing some research in the forums and on the web for a light/laser combo for my m4. i came to the conclusion that there isn't a really good combo of light/laser for a large gun, so what do you think of the following: -as a weaponlight, i want to use the surefire millenium LED/IR http://www.surefire.com/M952V-MillenniumUniversalWeaponLight it is nice and small, long battery runtime, LED, AND my favorite, IR illumination simply by twisting the head of the light! -as i want a laser and IR laser as well (i know, mall ninja junk, still i like it), i thought of going with laser devices: http://www.falcontactical.net/ladedbdbeail1.html it's got all i want, just the IR illumination of this unit is not necessary, as the surefire already got it. what do you think of that combo? and isn't there any way to fake a agency ID? or will they also accept private foreign LE agencies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Why do you want IR? You run night vision? Take a look at the new series from Surefire called the M720. There are three models. A standard 200 lumen unit. A combo unit that is 150 lumens and has an intergrated IR filter. Then my personal favorite, a 350 lumen output monster. It even strobes. At 350 lumens, a strobe will melt the face off of someone like the Nazi in the raiders of the lost arc. If you want a visible laser, a Surefire X400 is very nice. 170 lumen light output too. It'll accept the XT07 tail assembly if you want a tape switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 yep, it's nothing fancy or gen3+, but it gets the job done. i imagine it would be awesome to use it in complete darkness, at least for the intruder, while you have the IR light and laser. you have a link to the M720? didn't see it on the surefire homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needncash Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I went with the Surefire M952XM07 on the AR and I have the larger 225 lumens M962XM07 waiting for installation on the M4 as soon as the B&T rail gets here. Both lights have the A.R.M.S. #17 throw-lever mount and XM tailcaps. They share many of the same parts and batteries so if one should fail in the field I have another light or ample parts to make a repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Here's a little bit about the Surefire M720 http://soldiersystems.net/category/lights/ Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 that looks impressive! guess i'll be waiting for that one. is there a laser/IR laser combo out there? i don't necessarily want to go with the huge laser devices thing, if the surefire already features IR illumination. of course i want to use a remote switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I can just see cameltoe sneaking around in the dark with heavy breathing trying to touch some girls hair. IR lasers are pretty hard to get here since they're not legal for civilian purchase. They're legal to own, you just can't buy one. Many people modify visible light lasers into IR ones. Some of the guys over at ar15.com probably do that. They might indicate a path to take. When that 350 lumen m720 comes out, I plan to replace my m600c Scout Light with it. It should drop right in on my M4's activation setup. Don't plan to see these m720's till summer at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 hey, when did you steal my idea? i know, you need a LE agency. how do they check if my LE agency (given i come up with a private agency) really exists? isn't there a way to fake such an ID? btw i tought IR illuminators are prohibited as well? because the surefire millenium 95270 doesn't say anything about a LE only, and it does feature IR light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 350 lumens! I think I'll be picking up an M720 too! Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I can just see cameltoe sneaking around in the dark with heavy breathing trying to touch some girls hair. i see what you did there, S-O-T-L's!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 and CAMEL, did you realize both links you posted combined, are worth twice the m4's price!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK-HUNKER Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I can just see the police show up to the crime scene and see someone wearing their night vision goggles and decked out laser/IR combat shotgun and saying they were victimized:rolleyes:. Then later in court the prosecution say's here's exibit A(the Benelli joy-kill death-ray gun). I agree being judged by 12 is being better than carried by six, but boy that 12 will have a field day with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I can just see the police show up to the crime scene and see someone wearing their night vision goggles and decked out laser/IR combat shotgun and saying they were victimized. Then later in court the prosecution say's here's exibit A(the Benelli joy-kill death-ray gun). I agree being judged by 12 is being better than carried by six, but boy that 12 will have a field day with this one. im still laughing and agree with the above comment!! but you also forgot to mention the BAYONET hanging off the end!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK-HUNKER Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Honestly officer, I just use this fer pickin off those pesky squirrles on my back 40 and it just came in kinda handy when my space got violated by a cat burglar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needncash Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Now thats a good pic. LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 ROFL! great pic! actually i would need to hide those lights and laser before i get out of my house with the gun. possession of any sort of weapon-light is completely forbidden in germany. i just hate those stupid laws, that's why i don't really care. i think it's a must have for a HD and tactical gun to have a light (and laser). i did notice the price tag on the DBAL, but it's the only combo of laser/IR laser i found. i would gladly take something cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 possession of any sort of weapon-light is completely forbidden in germany. WTF???????????? that is the DUMBEST SH-T ive ever heard of!! and probably one of the STUPIDEST LAWS ever!!! but sorry to hear it CAMEL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 yeah, that's germany. if you get caught having a weapon light only laying around your house, they'll take your guns away, and you won't get a permission to buy one ever again. the gun lobby doesn't have much influence here, unfortunately. and when some crazy kid decides to run amok with his fathers gun, the laws get even more restrictive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK-HUNKER Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 yeah, that's germany. if you get caught having a weapon light only laying around your house, they'll take your guns away, and you won't get a permission to buy one ever again. the gun lobby doesn't have much influence here, unfortunately. and when some crazy kid decides to run amok with his fathers gun, the laws get even more restrictive. I guess that whole wall incident thing in 89' was there for theatrics and gave the commoners an a little sence of hope. I would hid any Picatinny rails as well as that would show intent, escpecially if there were wear marks on them from a mount. Geez that's pretty harsh, but your not alone, there are plenty of draconian laws abound everywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 they would still need to prove i really own anything as bad as a weaponlight. and the scratches on my rails come from the sling mount, which i placed on different locations, trying to find the best one. see, i'm prepared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 yeah, that's germany. if you get caught having a weapon light only laying around your house, they'll take your guns away, and you won't get a permission to buy one ever again. the gun lobby doesn't have much influence here, unfortunately. and when some crazy kid decides to run amok with his fathers gun, the laws get even more restrictive. hey CAMEL, you can be my WINGMAN i mean NEIGHBOR any time!! should you decide to move to the U.S. you are more than welcome in my book!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 i appreciate that skeeter! should i decide to move to the U.S. one day, texas will be my first choice. you got the best gun laws of any civilized state i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 well there are plenty of great states to live in here and plenty of them are pro gun as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCKETW19 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 well there are plenty of great states to live in here and plenty of them are pro gun as well. Ya California baby! oh damn you said pro gun never mind I thought we were talking strip clubs? wrong thread:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xamoel Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 well my first priority would be pro gun, so i'll stick with texas! back to topic: still looking for a laser/IR laser combo, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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