Russ F. Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 lets have an update please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 I will be buying one of these the day they become available. Any rough range on cost yet? If it has any relation to AR rails, should be in the 250-300 range for a precision machined rail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cobra Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 That is one slick set-up stevenb. Yes, I've read that other board members have had their Tacstar side carriers crack. Thanks for all the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa Tactical Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Thank you for your continued interest in the FCAM. Unfortunately, as reported above, we hit some snags in the development once we produced a handful of first articles. Things didn't fit together the way we liked (this system must be field-strippable without tools), and then Benelli dropped the bomb on us: the current production barrels are much wider at the chamber than the one on our development shotgun. So we have gone back to the drawing board. Since the SHOT Show, we have had a number of other priorities in front of FCAM development (not least, shipping lots of orders), but very shortly we intend to dust off the protos and first articles and set about resolving the issues and finalizing the design. Here is what we have today (and what we hid under the table at the SHOT Show): The nylon grip allows a comfortable familiar hold on the forend. What isn't visible in these photos is our SureShell shotshell carrier system. The FCAM will be available without the integrated SureShell, or with 6- and 8-shot SureShell. The bracket would be integrated with the top rail, and the shells would mount along the left side of the receiver. You will also be able to purchase SureShell carriers for the sides of the forend of the FCAM. This is not illustrated either, but operators who choose this configuration will probably want to use the ventral rail with a vertical grip instead of the nylon grip: Note that this configuration probably violates 922®. The side rails are removable and can be installed on either side (or both sides). The FCAM will ship with a 7.5" ventral rail and a 3.5" side rail. Additional rails are available, including a 5.5" rail. The ventral rail can also be installed on the side, if desired. So no word yet as to when we will be shipping these. The MSRP is still supposed to be between $350 for a basic assembly to $415 or so for one with an 8-shot SureShell. By the way, this weekend we are taking this push-button sling loop mount to show to the Marines: [ 04-07-2006, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cobra Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 VERY NICE Mesa Tactical. I can hardly wait for the finished product! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4Madness Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Originally posted by Mesa Tactical: Note that this configuration probably violates 922®. Why is that? Also, you guys (Mesa Tactical) need to start making some 922® compliance parts for the M4 so that we don't have to worry about this BS anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 how does the push-button mount attach (and where?) Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa Tactical Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Originally posted by deasmuth: how does the push-button mount attach (and where?) Thank you. The sling swivel mount uses a hole that passes through the pistol grip of the skeleton stock. This hole normally holds a rolled pin that secures the nylon outer part of the pistol grip to the metal (steel, I think) armature. For the example we demonstrated for the Marines, we replaced the rolled pin with a screw that held the flush cup for the sling swivel on one side and was secured on the opposite side by an acorn nut. The Marines were not happy with this, as they said Loctite (which we recommended for the acorn nut) has a nasty habit of going soft in the heat of Iraq. So we are now working on a slightly different version of the one pictured that uses a clevis pin and cotter pin combination. We anticipate the Marines will be much happier with a clevis pin. Regarding 922®: Since there is no strict definition of a "non-sporting" configuration by which the ATF judges weapons for 922® compliance, we generally assume that any specifically military configuration or feature would violate the statute. After all, according to the ATF, the Brady Center and even a lot of alleged gun rights defenders, the only "sporting" use of a firearm is to kill an animal. Foreward vertical grips don't help in killing animals. It's just a guess. [ 04-12-2006, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButschi Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Originally posted by Mesa Tactical: The sling swivel mount uses a hole that passes through the pistol grip of the skeleton stock. This hole normally holds a rolled pin that secures the nylon outer part of the pistol grip to the metal (steel, I think) armature. Great feature! Please also make a loop for the HK style hooks of my tac sling! A close to the reciever rear mount is really missing on the M4! ...How about a universal shell holder that attaches direcly to the top mounted picatinny rails. You would be able to mount this on all tactical shotguns (Benellis, Fabaram, FN ...) Please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 The sling swivel mount uses a hole that passes through the pistol grip of the skeleton stock. This hole normally holds a rolled pin that secures the nylon outer part of the pistol grip to the metal (steel, I think) armature. I like this! are you currently offering it? I assume after the rollpin is removed the hole needs to be enlarged? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Commence sales of this rail ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa Tactical Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 We are working on it. Ironically, we have already paid for all the expensive tooling (injection mold and extrusion dies), so no one is more desparate to see this go on the market than we are. Benelli really threw a zinger at us with the larger barrel diameter. We have to scrap our entire inventory of custom fasteners we made for the FCAM and come up with a new assembly mechansim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONGO Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 BUMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjk Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Just for clarification will the FCAM and shotshell carrier be a one piece unit? In which ever config. it's offered in, it'll be a sweet addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa Tactical Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Originally posted by rjk: Just for clarification will the FCAM and shotshell carrier be a one piece unit? The upper rail will optionally support a six- or eight-shell carrier integrated into it. In addition, four- or six-shell carriers can be added to either side of the assembly above the forend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjk Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Cool, just wanted to be sure before I ordered a shotshell carrier from your website. How's the re-tooling coming along? Thanks, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 The wait is killlllling me. [ 06-10-2006, 03:38 AM: Message edited by: Duggan ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjk Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Gentlemen, We don't bump. On the whole, the users here are smart enough to find their way back to threads in which they have an interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa Tactical Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Originally posted by rjk: How's the re-tooling coming along? Well, we apologize for the delay, but it's coming. One of the problems we had with the initial design was the choice of fasteners used to secure the interlocking studs that held the two halves together. We have since decided to go with nutserts. This should represent a big improvement to the design. We sent the shotgun out to our photographer for some pics of the sling mount, and while he was at it he took a shot of the complete system: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 You taking preorders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmikesteen Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Second that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesa Tactical Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 No pre-orders, but the sling loops are now available: http://www.mesatactical.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=111 http://www.mesatactical.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=109 http://www.mesatactical.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakjakman Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Those sling loops are very very cool. Have to keep those in mind for when I start my M4 entry project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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