mudhen

I'm guessing you are referring to the hole that is needed to tap in or out the carrier latch pin (Part #21). http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=682&m=1&mn=Benelli+U.S.A.%c2%ae&model=Super+90+M1+Field+ mudhen - CA

780 measly posts, mudhen? Heck, I've got well over 10,000 posts on AR15.com. Yeah, but just how much can be discussed about Benellis? They have not changed the gun much in almost 20 years Nothing when compared to the fascinating AR15 Like; What shade of black is your AR15? Mine is real black. Oh yeah, well mine is blacker Or mesmerizing posts about the cost of .223 FMJ. The price went up to $5 per 10,000 rounds. Oh my, how will I afford those whacky Idaho weekend shoots mudhen - CA

Now you guys are gettin' it It's all good here for the most part... I'm from Misery, so I knows a bit about "nothing beats lovin' like marrying your cousin"... mudhen - CA

Benellis do not have crisp & light triggers. I'm sure someone can tell you the exact #. That being said, I've never had any trouble with any Benelli I've used for turks. Squeeze, don't jerk. I think the M2 is supposed to be d & t for 2006, but I bet that there are many 2005 models out there that are not, so inspect carefully before you buy. I'm sure you can bring in your own snap cap and test the trigger. Or you could just buy one sight unseen and then post up here and blame Benelli for ripping you off by charging $1500 for a gun that you don't like mudhen - CA

I found my JH .660 at www.wingsupply.com for $39.95. mudhen - CA

I'm sure they will list the XH once they have it. Maybe they have it already. Maybe you could call them on the phone? Or should I do that for you too? Maybe I should drive there, pick it up, and drive it over to your place. m'kay? mudhen - CA

Here; http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=930910&chrSuperSKU=&MC= Yes. Yes. You can also use it for anything involving pulling the trigger of the firearm.... mudhen - CA

I've seen them as low as $350 on E-Bay and as high as $475. Slug barrel for the I fits the II... mudhen - CA

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I don't get it mudhen - CA

Nothing seems to hurt mine except DEET. It gets shiny pretty quick - all film camo seems to do that. It also might wear to white in spots that come in contact with your skin. mudhen - CA

You sir, have little or no knowledge of how the Benelli shim system works. You mention two beads. The M2 has one bead from the factory, or at least the five I looked at today did. Also, what you consider 'minimal' may be very important to some shooters. Minimal at 30 yards may not be at 45... I have made no 'arguement'. That you are unconvinced does not concern me. I have merely been pointing out my observations over the last 17 years of shooting and adjusting Benellis. This recent article, which I will try to scan and post next week, provides more than adequate support for my own position. I sir, have no knowledge on how a combustion engine works. Should I consider it an insult if a mechanic informs me that I lack such knowledge? I think not as he is merely making an accurate statement of fact. Donnie says vacuum... Here is the key to the article and my own experience; The Benelli shim changes the angle of the entire gun from where the stock meets the receiver. Presuming you hold the gun stock the same before and after changing the shim, you are now holding a weapon that is aiming at a different point than it was prior to the change of the shim. Pre-grip alterations, such as some stock bending methods or the use of the adjustable butt-pad system, are commonly used to improve the fit of the individual shooters, not to change the POI. If however, you do alter your grip and/or hold(which I do not), after a shim change, then maybe you will not experince the POI changes that myself and others have. Given that Benelli stocks themselves are not adjustable, and that their directions clearly state that they intend the shims to be used to change POI, are further support of this theory. That all of my Benellis can be adjusted in this manner and have the POI affected, is merely additional support for my own position. This shooter has already stated that his POI changed when he changed a shim. Is he too incorrect? Donnie says vacuum... mudhen - CA

You should just admit you are wrong on this issue and cut your losses. Like I said before, you are most likely correct about the custom fitting of other brands of shotguns. You just have little knowledge, if any, on how the Benelli shim system works. I don't see 'moderator' next to my name, do you? If posting correct info on the Benelli system makes me a jerk, then so be it... mudhen - CA

You too are incorrect. Donnie says vacuum... I will try to post the shim article soon. Benelli is telling you that the larger bead is advised after the shooter has attempted to change the POI using the shims. I had the same discussion with Benelli CS last year. My 12 or so Benellis have all needed some shim adjustments to shoot where I wanted each particular gun to shoot. The only one that really was dead on out of the box was a 1990 SBE H&K version - low vent rib - still shoot that gun often. mudhen - CA

SW Missouri. It was red hot where we were. All henned up, but you just had to wait them out. The runners & gunners did poorly Fat arses that held their ground or moved sparingly through the woods did better My arse fits in the latter category... mudhen - CA

Just bummed around in Kansas & Missouri for a few days last week... mudhen - CA

$3.27 in Cali today... mudhen - CA

You do not understand the Benelli shim system. I am quite sure you are very well versed in the use of drop and cast in other stock fitting situations. The Benelli shim system is specifically designed to allow the shooter to alter the POI without expensive gunsmith permament alterations. I will try to post a great article in the June 2006 Shooting Times that outlines the Benelli shim system and why it is used by Benelli. Until that time, please refrain from posting about topics that you have no knowledge on. This practice can be detrimental to those who want the truth, not a novice's speculation... mudhen - CA

Maybe try the 'search' button next time and save the for someone who cares... This topic has been discussed repeatedly and it's no fun to keep repeating the info. My SBE II shoots high. I made a D (not offered for the M2/SBE II) shim by sanding down an A shim and adding it to the C. Now it shoots exactly where I want to - I aim at the turks neck where the feathers meet the skin - and the patter lifts just a bit right into the head area. It is generally accepted that Bennellis shoot high by design - this feature is generally favored by bird and clay shooters - but, turk hunters may need to tweak the shims to get the pattern they want... mudhen - CA

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This is all fine and dandy and probably makes sense for some guns...just not Benellis in general. I've been testing Benellis and shim adjustments for about 15 years. For whatever reason, adjusting the shims changes the POI on the 15 or so Benellis I have worked on. A shoots higher. D shoots lower. Period. I've got Excel spreadsheets that clearly show the changes. I have shaved shims to tune in numerous Benellis. I have not done any testing on the new Benelli cast system, so I cannot confirm if this area will react to being adjusted in the same manner as the drops. I'd mess with the spacers long before I'd buy a new gun... Also, your turkey aim comment is far from accurate for many turkey hunters. Experienced turkey hunters want to view the turkey's head until the last possible moment to avoid missing those snakey-head toms. In order to do this, one must have a pattern that lifts a bit so you can watch the head and line up the shot. A turkey hunter that blocks out the head of a tom as his POA will miss sometimes, probably often. The POA should be below the head with the POI being the head and neck area. mudhen - CA

$2.95 in Cali today... mudhen - CA

All over the country at local shops via in-store promotions. A dealer in Alaksa was $999! The problem is Benelli's MAP agreement that does not allow dealers to Advertise a Price below a certain Minimum level. The MAP agreement is the key to being a Benelli dealer. You will not see the super low prices advertised, you just have to keep checking local shops for specials and/or coupons, etc. Several shops here have 10% coupons that can be used on guns. I hear Gander, Bass Pro, and Cabelas also have in-store promos. Bass Pro had a sale last year on Timber SBE II's - I think they were $1249 at retail. mudhen - CA

Fair for a gunshop would be $899. For whatever reason, the SBE I has held it's value. I think it's all the hype that the SBE II is not that great, which has been untrue for me. I have owned SBE I's since 1990, and my SBE II outpatterns every SBE I that I have ever owned or tested. The Crio Chokes work better for me for ducks and especially turkeys. I really appreciate all the improvements. Fair for private party might be closer to $700. I've seen like new SBE I's go for $600. I sold a like new SBE I with two barrels (26" reg & slug) + the mercury recoil reducer and Kicks turkey choke for $1000. I'd buy an SBE II for $1099 before I bought any SBE I, used or new... mudhen - CA