Butch-M

Thanks guys ... I purchased the Nordic extension and a Mesa barrel clamp. http://www.tacticalshotgunner.com/mesa-tactical-magazine-clamp-with-optional-rails-and-sling-swive-p-147.html

I've been going nuts researching the available manufacturers. Nordic and SRM (Sure Cycle) seem to be coming up most often. These extensions get a lot of use with the snow geese crowd apparently. Now I'm trying to decide on which one. One thing, the Nordic barrel clamp looks stout. http://surecycle.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=&idproduct=18&frmsrc=1 http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/nordic-components-benelli-sbe-magazine-extensions-p-1169.html I might have to take a break and get back into this tomorrow. Thanks again for the advise.

Been a while gentlemen ... a question for you: What's the best route for extending the magazine capacity on an SBEII? I've been doing a little "Depredation Permit" deer culling in a shotgun only state and reloading after 4 kills cuts down on efficiency; particularly in the woods. I see some readily available "aftermarket" tubes that are inexpensive. Are they any good, or should a Benelli be bought. I bought a barrel from them once and it took forever to get. Thanks!

it's about the fit ...

Personally ... I think the gun better be earth shattering with all the "suspense" and sophomoric hype. It's beginning to get annoying ... actually it was annoying from the first e-mail notification.

Foster slugs if it's a smoothbore barrel. Sabot slugs are designed to spin and shed the plastic cup. If they don't, they tend to pitchpole and yaw; degrading accuracy badly. Federal Truball is a good choice if you're looking for long range accuracy ... for hunting for example. It's a relative new design and seems to be getting quite a bit of good press. Shotguns are notoriously fickle about what brand and load of slug they like. My advice would be to buy a few boxes of each and test them to see which shoots best in your particular M4. Any choke from Modified to open is fine; again, testing can make the choice for you. Here's a link to a site with some pretty good basics on slugs. If you want more just ask. http://www.nrapublications.org/tah/Slugs.asp

Now THAT'S funny! I see we're coming around to some common ground. LOL AND ... anybody leaving Tucker in charge of the store when they leave the room; had best be prepared for a little mayhem when they return. Kinda like trusting your Labrador Retriever to leave that pizza unmolested on the floor while you run to the can. It MIGHT happen, but so might Hades freeze over ... you’re kidding yourself if you EXPECT it to happen.

Well, even my penchant for comic book historical research doesn’t bring me to the convoluted logic justifying and blatantly disregarding Japanese militarism & territorial annexation, Japanese atrocities, Japanese invasions and Japanese behavior during the last world war. You’re pretty casual about Tojo’s attack on Pearl Harbor et al., by labeling it a “message.” Osama bin Laden sent a similar message to the USA and received a similar reaction. Are you going to make an argument for his atrocities too? The Japs were fighting to END Imperialism??? Better back up a tad before you completely destroy your credibility! And I don’t need no strawman to refute your position. As to an “irrational hate for the Japanese” I’m afraid you’re misinterpreting to your own devices. I have neither a love of nor a hatred of the present day Japanese. I spent 5 years 5 nights per week in a Karate school directly run by Shiguru Kimura fresh from Japan. What I do have is a realistic appraisal of how the Japs behaved up to and during World War Two. YOU brought up Mitsubishi and offered up accolades to them. I only pointed out they have a dark past. My particular “hateful emotions” are directed at World War Two Japan, and I don’t find them to be “wasted” ... rather well earned and deserved I would say. I will readily admit to having a ruthless and unmerciful sentiment on how we should react to any attack on our country. I don’t know if you can qualify obliterating retaliation as “hatred”though. But ... then again I’d consider myself a Conservative American patriot. It’s puzzling why your romantic perspective on the Japanese triggers this refusal to hold them accountable for past atrocities. You sound proud of the Japanese war memorial Yasukuni Jinja, I on the other hand get angry every time I see the American USS Arizona Memorial because it reminds me of the 1177 sailors who died on it, quickly followed by thoughts of all the other horrors that resulted over the next four years from Japans attack on us. We DO agree on a few things. Most of your last paragraph; although I’d replace the word “hate” with “ire.” And we agree on FDR and the Democrats. Although I sometimes wonder if the Republicans are much better.

I've got to stop and give kudos to Benelli. Not only can you get superb technical advice from some very knowledgeable members; and not only can you receive excellent honest, thoughtful reviews of real world field experiences both positive and negative from helpful participants; but you can also have a spirited, even pugnacious debate over a myriad of subjects and the BENELLI Administration rejects censorship and lets the subject play out. (within limits of course) You gotta love this place! With that said; let's not lose sight of the fact that the Nazis & Japs were empire building and killing millions of innocents BEFORE we were sneak attacked. I know this question can open Pandora's box, but do we have ANY moral and/or ethical obligation to mankind and our fellow human beings being slaughtered and bullied around the globe? Just for the sake of curiousity, Pearl Harbor aside ... just how do you think the whole scenario was going to play out if we continued to try to be an Allies supplier and not fight? Do you have the slightest belief that Hitler was going to stop after the Britain & the British Commonwealth fell? (Canada)... and Tojo after he reached Hawaii? After they divided up South America including Mexico? If you ever have the opportunity, talk to a Pacific Theater World WarII vet and see how they feel about the Nipponese. Roosevelt's allowing Pearl Harbor to be a sacrificial necessity or not ... THEY still attacked us! WE did NOT attack them.

So ... you're taking the side of the Japanese?? Quite the patriot aren't we? I think you'd discover that the 2,400 dead and 1,200 wounded along with the devastating effect on their families and friends was "indeed" unexpected on December 7th. Read up on the inhumane treatment of POW's by your beloved Japanese ... 40% dead ... vs 8% in either German, Italian or Allies care. I’m not even addressing the unspeakably brutal treatment of the slave labor supplied by the army and utilized in MITSUBISHI mines and plants during the war! Mitsubishi is even now still trying to fend off slave labor lawsuits from countries around the globe. Of the 28,000 Americans captured and interned by the Japs, only 16,000 ever made it home. We have one ally we can count on ... the British Commonwealth. I'll be glad to get back to Benelli when we finish debating your unsolicited tossing of orchids at the Japanese.

Some additional trivia: Mitsubishi is also the outfit that produced the Jap Zero that took part in the Dec 7, 1941 murderous sneak attack on Pearl Harbor killing 2,400 innocents and brought us into World War II. Non-trivia: Nikon has an appalling reputation for customer service. Zeiss on the other hand is stellar in that department as well as their optics.

After contacting Zeiss and being assured that their Conquest 3x9 scope was fully capable of taking the pounding of 12ga slugs; I installed one on my SBEII w/slug rifled barrel. It has taken over 50 deer and hundreds of slugs while performing magnificently. I have other Zeiss/Swarovski/Leica high end optics and this VERY reasonably priced Zeiss scope stacks up quite nicely when compared. For the price of a better Leupold or other brand of scope, you will have the breathtaking clarity of a Zeiss. As to the 9x power being too high on a 200 yard gun, my theory was “you don’t have to use it if you don’t want to.” Turned out I’m very glad I have it. The extra power is great on 150yard shots and very useful for checking does heads for “hidden spikes.” I run it on 3x unless I’m set up where 5x distance is more likely ‘first sighting distance” ... and on the longer ranges I usually have the time and movement capability to crank it up to 7x or 9x.

First ... I am in no way a religious guy ... BUT ... it's Christmas ... not “X-mas.” Christmas is the common and shortened word for the Christian religion’s “Christ’s Mass” or “mass for Christ” on his birthday. To replace Christ’s name with an “X” is frankly disrespectful, no matter which faith or what your beliefs are. I hope you and your wife have a great time at the show ... and come home with something that gives you years of enjoyment.

I hunt with mine all day in the pouring rain; begrudgingly dry it off and use whatever suits my purpose at that time; (what's within arm's reach?) leave it laying where I can see it to dry; after a few days stick it in a gun case; stick the case in a lock box ... and forget about it until next time. NO BARREL RUST. All the stuff you're not supposed to do. I WILL say I have seen wisps of rust appear under the sights on my slug barrel; but that showed up when I was still sitting in a tree; in the rain; the first time I used it. I wasn't coming down to oil my barrel. I of course cussed those #$@&* Italians (of which I am one) and chalked it up to my not understanding one of their illogical procedures to common criteria, coupled or mated to their world class performance from complex criteria. OR ... it was my fault, but they are culpable to some degree. The bottom feeders in the legal system would “assign” degrees of guilt I think. Anyway ... since my Benelli is largely a tool, and since I admire, but don’t worship my tools ... I quickly got over it. Particularly ... when well over a dozen deer started dropping like bricks ... all falling to one shot each. While I’m at it; I should berate Benelli for the finish wear around the receiver from use, rub marks on the barrel from my Lone Wolf treestand, and little ding I put in the ventilate rib on the shotgun barrel while flying it to Texas. If the gun wasn’t such a killing machine ... and I didn’t revel in it’s wonderful looks and performance ... I’d be complaining like you too!

Tell you what ... I get a lot of "stuff" every day that sounds logical and believable. The Internet started out as a great source of information that hasn't been manipulated and fabricated by the media in their quest to inflict their agenda on us ... but it's coming to the point where I'm hesitant to pass anything on because some conservatives are starting to get as bad as them. I guess it's part of the balancing formula or something, but it's disconcerting nonetheless. I have a few friends who like "stockplayer;" dig through and prove out things. A tip of the hat to them!

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Other than second amendment rights; this may not have much to do with anything here ... but I figured it would be a break from all this "Black Rifle" stuff. 13 States [ WE ARE 30 YRS PASS THE AVERAGE LIFE OF A DEMOCRACY ] I thought this was very interesting. Subject: 13 States About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2000 years prior: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority alwaysvotes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations, from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage " Professor Joseph Olson, of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election: Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000 States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29 Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1 was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase. Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Bravo ... but why did you highlight "intelligent????" (A little late, but you can't predict soccer matches worth a hoot ... stick to guns)

If your pigs are tough, and you stick with your smoothbore barrel, you might be best off with a Brenneke slug, since they do not kill with massive rapid expansion, but rather with deep penetration. If you get a rifled barrel, the Federal/Barnes bullet and Winchester Petition Gold, or Remington Corelokt Ultra, &/or Hornady's SST are good penetrators.

Rifled barrels were going $400.00+ two years ago. A rifled barrel with a sabot slug, which your "particular" barrel "likes" is reliably deadly out to 150 yards or more ... with a good scope and some dedicated practice. Your smoothbore is getting very "iffy" after 75 yards. Undoubtedly the better choice is the rifled barrel. Cylinder, Improved cylinder and modified are your smoothbore choke choices. You have to test the particular "Foster" slug you chose in each to see which performs best.

500yds ... my, my ... I'm impressed, and with a 40gr bullet inthe wind.

http://www.tarhunt.com/ Read everything they have to say.

Here's an interesting article I came across. We all remember the media advancing those "Doctors for Gun Control" agenda right??? http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/14/doctor_accidents.htm [ 05-29-2006, 04:55 AM: Message edited by: Butch-M ]

http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

I was just saying to myself ... there hasn't been a good argument on Benelli Forum for a while ... LOL Thanks boys, things were getting a bit dull. I had my SBEII trigger "cleaned up" by a gunsmith and it didn't make much, if any, difference in how it performed. That's been written about, fairly heatedly, here before. HENCE I would assume; the expectation of a "customer complaint" in waiting.