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It bent itself in a 10 degree or worse bend from being hit on the ground. I forget if I threw my m4 or if it fell off a table or what, but it somehow hit the ground hard and the weak charging handle got bent. What worse is that the design didn't have any non-rotational flat spots like the stock one, so it was free to spin off axis in your hand, consistently giving you the worst grip possible, as you would always end up with the bolt handle bent towards you, encouraging your hand to slip off the bolt handle. I managed to straighten it back out, but my faith in it is completely gone. This happened a few more times, not as bad as that first time, but after consistently having to fix a subpar product I got sick of it and bought the PMC/Design Concepts one, and it has been 110%. It is a much, much better product. If you want Kip, I will gladly send you my old GG&G handle, so you can test it or whatever so you can see exactly what your product should NOT end up being like.

Design Concepts (best one) on left, stock one in center, crappy GG&G one on right.

Some m4s run light loads from the start with no problems. Others require some heavy loads, then they magically start working with light loads. Some people report that their m4s never cycle light loads reliably even after "break in", and they either avoid light loads or get the "low recoil" 4 port barrel. I don't know how your gun will act, the only way to know is to go see if it will cycle the #8 loads. If it does, great, if not, try some heavy stuff, then back to the light loads. For what it's worth, when my friend bought the m4 that I now own, it jammed on him and me like crazy the first day we took it out. Light loads, buckshot, slugs, everything jammed every 3rd or 4th round. After about 100 rounds, all this went away and 11,500 rounds later, it has not jammed or failed to cycle a single time. I don't really know what happens in that 100 round period, whether its stuff loosening up or parts getting better fitted to each other or what, but it seems to fix most problems that may arise at the start.

Rail thread http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17908

Snap ring pliers. 1) - Use them to take off the retaining ring. 2) - Pull the sling loop off. 3) - Turn to desired angle. 4) - Put sling loop back on. 5) - Put retaining ring back on. 6) - Attach sling. 7) - Smile at how simple it all was.

Nice weapons. I need to get me a "surgeon".

Wait, is this during firing or during hand cycling? M4's have a "shelf" that you can set the bolt carrier on, if you slowly cycle it you can set the carrier on the shelf, which I believe is actually the lifter engagement point. It needs some inertia to get past this point ... so if you are slowly hand cycling it, that is your "problem", or lack of one in this case. If this is occurring while actually firing, then you have a problem.

Yea, it scares the liberals into banning it.

For the same reason people use sub guns ... less likely to over penetrate, and easy to operate and point. Plus, one tiny hole is not the same as 9 medium holes in a 8 inch pattern.

I wasn't going to take it there, but I agree ... why are you prodding your wife in the side with your tactical phallus extension anyways?

Bueller? Anyone?

It depends on the ammo, but with 00 buck it will be the difference between a hand sized pattern and literally hitting an entire door at some distances. If you just want to blindly spray a blanket wall of lead at an intruder, a cylinder choke is the way to go. If you actually plan on aiming, as in waiting behind a door with the gun aimed etc, I think it's better to have a somewhat tight constriction. You will find just as many opinions on this matter as you will people, so it's up to you. Personally, if I was rushed out of bed I would grab my glock 19 and surefire first as they sit right next to my bed, and then if I somehow needed it the m4 would come out.

Good work, I've been meaning to do this. A stock m4 is 39.5 inches long, so you lost 2.25 inches of pull (if you are measuring properly that is). Job well done IMO.

It's not just tight shot patterns, it's even shot spread within the pattern. Aftermarket chokes claim to be a lot more even. That being said, most people use a modified choke for the majority of tasks. Trulock is a very popular choice for aftermarket chokes. I agree with you, a rifle is obviously better for tight shot patterns at longer ranges, however by making your shot pattern tighter you effectively increase the lethal range of your shotgun in a sense, so it is attractive to some. That said, match your choke tube to your ammo and desired results, and do your own testing to make sure it works for you.

Seems like a waste to me, but I haven't tried one, so I can't give you any real feedback on patterns or recoil reduction. I just know that it looks heavy and makes the weapon longer, neither of which are really good things for a combat shotgun. That said, do what FEELS good, Maannnn.

I am confused by your problem, you are either not explaining it well or you are not familiar with how an m4 works. Try this at the range ... 1) - Lock the bolt back. Bolt release button is out, cartridge drop lever is in. The shell lifter is locked down. 2) - Put a round in the chamber and press the bolt release. The bolt comes forward, the cartridge drop lever pops out, and the shell lifter is now unlocked and you can load rounds into the tube as you desire. 3) - When you fire, the chambered round is ejected, the bolt carrier moves back and resets the trigger, a round gets ejected from the tube onto the lifter, the bolt comes back forward, triggers the lifter, grabs the next shell and chambers it 4) - Rinse and repeat. Where in that procedure do you have a problem? I reread your problem ... are you merely stating that when the bolt is locked back, that the shell carrier won't pop up? It's not supposed to ... it pops up when the bolt is released, and only when the bolt is released. I would suggest reading the manual and familiarizing yourself with the m4 operation, it is quite a bit different from other designs that you may be used to.

Man, you guys are old.

Shut up and leave the poor guy alone, how is he supposed to get these products to market if you keep hassling him with your silly inquiries?

Benelli makes coach guns? I guess you learn something new every day ... ETA - You must mean a Stoeger, not a Benelli. I guess this is why you should inspect anything you buy prior to purchase if at all possible. If you bought this gun locally, this issue probably could have been avoided by thoroughly inspecting the weapon prior to pulling out the credit card. That said, it's a sucky situation and I hope you get it resolved quickly. Best of luck.

I hear you and agree, I was just saying that the FFL not transferring a weapon with already added "evil" features is a minor inconvenience, as there is nothing really stopping you from adding them at a later point in time. You buy your virgin, neutered m4 from an uptight CA dealer, then go home and slap a full length tube on it, and who do you really think is going to notice or care? Nobody, unless you screw yourself over some other way and "they" are looking to throw the book at you, in which case a 922r change is probably the least of your worries.

I'll say it again, CA, NY, MA, NJ etc all have state laws that "must" be followed, in addition to the federal 922r law. We are not legally allowed to have "banned features" regardless of imported part count, because we have gun laws that mirror the old expired federal assault weapon ban. That said, you're also not "allowed" to speed on public roads either. ETA - Most of the ATF involvement in these matters concerns manufacturers and dealers, and forcing them to comply with various laws. Unless you screw up really, really badly, the ATF isn't in the business of going door to door, arresting and charging private citizens with felonies for adding a 7 round tube to their 12 gauge ...

Congrats, and welcome to the big leagues.

That's because you were using the stock choke. He isn't.