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Benelli obviously sells and deals with the military and LE. I find it hard to believe that they are blatantly violating the law. There is something going on here that we are not understanding/seeing. If this was Bubba in his shop customizing shotguns one-by-one, I would be rather certain that something was very illegal about it. But this isn't Bubba. It's Arnaldo, and his shop is very, very big...

I got rid of my Wilson after multiple problems. They ended up buying it back from me. I would like to see a picture of the ejection port on the H2O model after some use, though. I'm not knocking it (I have never experienced owning anything NP3 coated), just curious.

I am wondering how the coating works out when it gets broken. Will it chip/flake/etc? I had that issue with a Wilson Combat 1911. The coating was chipped by any little thing--right down to the parkerizing. Ejected shell-casings hitting the top of the slide were what did it. I know NP3 is a different type of finish, though, which is why I ask. Does anyone have a picture of a used H2O's ejection-port?

http://www.carriercomp.com I have experience with these. The wait can be anything from a week or two to a few months. They are flawless and the finish holds up well. http://www.freedomfightertactical.com I do not have experience with these, but have yet to see complaints. They came after the CC tubes and as a direct result of them. I am loyal to CC, so I buy from Kip for that reason.

Gotcha. I just wondered if there was some neat/new awesome upgrade out there that you took this off for, or if your M4 exploded in some spectacular display that you have pictures of and this was the only remaining piece, etc. No tricks, just curiosity.

I'm not a buyer, but I am sure others are dying to know, too--why the sale?

Also, this: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_1/367229_Benelli_M4_question.html

Twelve Big Wins for Gun Owners Friday, November 18, 2011 The final conference report on the combined Fiscal Year 2012 Agriculture, Commerce/Justice/Science (CJS) and Transportation/Housing/Urban Development (THUD) Appropriations bills—also known as the "Mini-Bus,” was passed by both the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate, and has been signed into law. One of the most important ways that Congress has protected the Second Amendment is through a number of general provisions included in various appropriations bills. Many of these provisions have been included in the bills for many years—some of the provisions go back almost three decades. This conference report is no exception, as it contains 12 provisions that strengthen the Second Amendment and protect the American people. Specifically, the conference report makes PERMANENT the following protections: Firearms Database/National Gun Registry Prohibition. No funds may be used to create, maintain or administer a database of firearms owners or their firearms. This prohibition has been in place since Fiscal Year 1979, and prevents the federal government from establishing a national gun registry. Former Firearms Dealers Information Retrieval Prohibition. No funds may be used to electronically retrieve personally identifying information gathered by federal firearms licensees. The provision prohibits the creation of a gun registry from dealers’ records that are required by law to be surrendered to the federal government when a dealer goes out of business. This provision has been included since FY 1997. Information Gathering Prohibition/24-Hour Destruction of Records. A prohibition on the use of funds to retain any information gathered as a part of an approved instant background check for more than 24 hours. This provision protects the privacy of law-abiding gun buyers by prohibiting gun buyers’ personal information about legal gun purchases from being retained by government authorities for more than 24 hours after a firearm background check. It has been included since FY 1999. In addition, the conference report adds two NEW provisions designed to bolster our gun rights and protect the Second Amendment from unelected bureaucrats who would twist the law to facilitate their gun-control agenda. Prohibit Funding for "Gun Walking” Operations. No funds may be used to knowingly transfer firearms to agents of drug cartels unless U.S. law enforcement personnel control or monitor the firearms at all time. This amendment is designed to prevent the Justice Department (or any government entity) from spending taxpayer dollars on "gun walking” programs like Operation Fast and Furious. Shotgun Importation Protections. Prohibits the Department of Justice from requiring imported shotguns to meet a "sporting purposes” test that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) has used to prohibit the importation of shotguns with one or more features disliked by the Agency, such as adjustable stocks, extended magazine tubes, etc. Finally, the conference report RETAINS the following provisions: Curio and Relic Definition. A prohibition on the use of funds to change the definition of a "curio or relic.” This provision protects the status of collectible firearms for future generations of firearms collectors. Physical Inventory Prohibition. Prohibition on a requirement to allow a physical inventory of Federal Firearms Licensees. The Clinton Administration proposed a rule in 2000 to require an annual inventory by all licensees. While the Bush Administration eventually withdrew the proposal, Congress has still passed this preventive provision every year since FY 2007. Business Activity. A prohibition on the use of funds to deny a Federal Firearms License (FFL) or renewal of an FFL on the basis of low business activity. This provision prohibits BATFE from denying federal firearms license applications or renewals based on a dealer’s low business volume alone. Firearms Trace Data Disclaimer. A requirement that any trace data released must include a disclaimer stating such trace data cannot be used to draw broad conclusion about firearms-related crime. Firearms Parts Export to Canada. A prohibition on the use of funds to require an export license for small firearms parts valued at less than $500 for export to Canada. This provision removed an unnecessary and burdensome requirement on U.S. gun manufacturers that was imposed under the Clinton Administration. Importation of Curios and Relics. A prohibition on the use of funds to arbitrarily deny importation of qualifying curio and relic firearms. This provision ensures that collectible firearms that meet all legal requirements for importation into the United States are not prevented from import by executive branch fiat. Transfer of BATFE Authority. A prohibition on the use of funds to transfer any duty or responsibility of the BATFE to any other agency or department. This provision was written in response to a Clinton Administration plan to transfer firearms enforcement to the FBI or Secret Service. It also prohibits the Executive branch from skirting the will of Congress by allowing another agency to implement policies the BATFE is prohibited from implementing. Copyright 2011, National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action. This may be reproduced. It may not be reproduced for commercial purposes. 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030 800-392-8683 Contact Us | Privacy & Security Policy

I have bought FFT products before and T&E'ed them. I purchased a Ti bolt-handle. One thing that stands out about FFT is how they do business. They are quick, and my dealing with them on the phone was polite and professional. They make a good effort to get things out the door FAST. They are Kip (Carriercomp)'s direct competitor, and everyone knows it, best of all, them and Kip. They compete with Kip by having very fast "board to production" times, and very short "payment to delivery" times. There is a down-side, though. That is, that their products are not as thoroughly vetted by the time they reach your hands. They tend to have an R&D and then a production phase--leaving out most of the "evaluation/test" phase that normally goes between the two. I say this, because it is my experience that their parts have little foibles. Such as the peening on the hammer pictured, or the deforming (albeit mild and minor, but in very few rounds, and of the ridge at the end of the handle that holds it into the weapon) of my Ti bolt from the cycling of the M4's action. Neither the peening pictured on the hammer in this thread nor the deforming of my Ti bolt-handle affect function in a way that could be measured. However, it is undesirable, and could have been avoided had an evaluation phase been allowed to lengthen the "R&D ---> Production" process by a short time. As to FFT bad-mouthing others, FFT is run by a man helping to support his family off the business and making parts for 1 firearm pretty much. He is competing with Kip, formerly SOCOMguy, Geissele, and a host of others who cater to the M4 platform. Those people are "taking his money" (or he is taking theirs, from their point of view), as one might see it. He has NO RIGHT to lambast any of them, but if he did, although I don't agree with him or support his decision to do so--if he had a bad day and slipped up and badmouthed a competitor on the phone, one-on-one with a customer, I'm not going to hold it against him and say he's a rotten person for it. He made a business decision and lost that customer. Now, if he pulls a Mark LaRue or a John Hennessey or a Mike Meyers and gets online and starts a bash-fest...well, I bet he would lose a lot more. I'm not going to let an irrelevant, privileged, ALLEGED conversation of which I know no details skew my opinion, though. I buy FFT stuff, but only if Kip doesn't also make an identical part. My loyalties and where they are, are not any secret. Still, I don't think we should skewer FFT as such over hearsay. Now...to the issue at hand... I think the trigger-pull is likely to be lighter and smoother than factory, although with a little TW25B and optimally positioning the trigger re-set spring, my M4's triggers have all been plenty nice for a shotgun, even shooting groups with slugs. NP3 will lessen the force required, though by 1-2# or so, as noted.

CMM uses a 4-40 pre-tapped assembly. Just place the button of your choice with a 4-40 screw in it. Here is one of my custom setups courtesy of some online vendor who I have forgotten, and Kip, who was nice enough to finish it for me (button is stainless)! (Please disregard the stray hair from my Maine Coon. He's off getting a hair-cut right now, ironically.) As to your charging handle, Kip's product is the best one on the market in my experience, and opinion. The only one that I would consider equal to it is the Design Concepts handle which inspired it, and good luck finding one. I only know the whereabouts of a couple of them, and I also know who made them. You won't be getting any of them from either source.

The cap is hollow and there is ample space inside of it not occupied by the spring for this to not be a concern. If it were a concern, the shotgun would have a very hard time cycling, as the hammer must be cocked during the rearward passage of the BCG. I am a fan of grease on sliding metal parts, which this cap is.

Benelli M4 disconnector is strong like bull. The problem is that it will allow the trigger to be pulled with the bolt about 1/2" or so OOB. What happens then is you get someone with a fast finger dumping the mag-tube and ending up with 1-2 shots downrange when the hammer follows the BCG and you have a live round in the chamber and a dead trigger under your finger. To get the gun back into action that round will be ejected, and time will be lost on top of it. Insult to injury. I am pretty sure there is no fix for this. You can replace the disconnector, but you will only be (possibly) improving the part--not changing or improving the geometry/function.

No. Simple as that.

I have tried both, I would try VERY hard to get one that Kip made.

Observe the M1014. Some people rip others off on them, but they normally go for $12-1400 like any other M4.

As to the nicks, etc. FFT has traditionally used customers as their test-subjects BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS. Their concept to production time is cut down like this, but the trade-off is that there are some kinks that need to be worked out that get found by you. Mostly cosmetic, though, I wager. Again, just my opinion as I am not in the industry, but I do observe other's experiences and have owned FFT's products in the past.

I think it's more an issue of mass and distance and the parts involved. Like trying to make an F-250 hug the corners. Sure, you can lower it a touch and all that, but really, the sports car will still stomp it.

Looks like some time and money.

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli-m4.php

Get Police issue Flite Control instead of military issue crap, lol

I have not experienced this.

Well, if I ever have an AR-15 that jams due to a non-ammunition related issue or out of spec part, I'll have to let you know. So far, has not occured. Thousands of rounds, not one failure unrelated to ammo (Occured with one lot of Wolf that the cases resembled belted magnum rounds in) or out of spec parts (occured once on a mutt built regarding the feed-ramps and upper, and once with a Sabre Defense regarding an improperly dimensioned bolt). So, if I ever have an AR-15 that jams, I might agree, until then, I enjoy the platform because I am personally capable of running, and maintaining it. PS. If you use the forward assist for what you imply, stick with the AK. Further, if you believe every word of every person who came out of Vietnam, please explain how the M193's projectile manages to end-over-end like a buzz-saw through the air. Lotta great knowledge came from 'Nam

I respect your opinion, and submit mine. I further submit that if this person can be trained to properly take apart and re-assemble an AR-15, noone else has an excuse for their ignorance, either. Marginally simpler equipment is no substitute for proper training, otherwise the club would still be the ultimate tool of war. With another 10 minutes of instruction, if that is all she currently knows, she could properly maintain that rifle with a USGI cleaning kit and CLP. What's anyone else's excuse? (Obviously clearing jams, weapon manipulation, etc. would require more training, but again, AK-47's and AUG's don't operate themselves, either. One must still master control of the trigger, sighting system, and malfunction remediation).

I agree with your closing statement. Training. However, riding the bolt-home, not knowing when your weapon is empty or not, etc. are not things that this soldier would have not encountered were he using any other firearm you mentioned. The AR-15 is no harder to use than any other weapon you mentioned.

It shoots cleaner unsuppressed, but I like gas. Recoil seems more controlled, and what I have previously stated in prior posts. It's also lighter. Weight is huge on a weapon that you are using as a battle rifle (technically, batttle rifles are heavier caliber, though.)