Trapshooter1

Dang!!! them look like some hard kicking loads! I guess this would be the solution to the plug for duck season

Just get a rifled deer choke and you will be fine either constriction will work, pattern with your factory chokes first and see if there is a difference. Usually rifled deer specific chokes don't show restriction.

Welcome to the forum, I can't help you a whole lot, but I suggest hornady or federal sabot slugs and a rifled choke a prefer briley. If you want a slug barrel, you might as well get a whole new gun with how pricey they are.

you said no gun does it all, not every gun does it all and some do it better, duuuuuhhhhhhh OK I should have said break actions. A short barrel will go through tight qaurters better, and high capacity means you get more shots between reloads which would seem to take fore ever in that situation What I meant was they will say, "Quit making up excuses that was your fault" and joking and teasing with me. That's why I wear brown under wear

Ok he does need to consider every option and that is a good pump option. That is a good all weather pump. I just think he might regret getting a pump, but he does need to consider the good and bad. He probably does have experience with pumps but I started out with pumps and I enjoy shooting semi auto's more.

"None will. That's is exactly why the more experienced folk on this Forum will likely have more than one shotgun. Salesmen and Corporate hype will try and tell you that the gun you buy will do everything from waterfowl to light clay shoots .... Yeah , it will do it, but it will NOT do it all equally well over time. And experience = time spent with shotguns." The M2 will do it all, as will the other shotguns mentioned in you post. Some do it better than others. Any shotgun will break clays but O/U tend to better. Any shotgun will kill a person that breaks into your house but hi capacity short barreled shotguns do it better. Any shotgun will kill a turkey but a short barrel camo 3.5" is better suited for the job. Any shotgun will do it all but some do it better than others. "Benelli M2 is good choice, but hard to find one new for $1K. More like $1.3K+ . Seems like most folk who own them love it and it has a super-faithful following of Field gunners. The inertial action does have a unique feel and some gas gunners take a bit of getting used to it." A black one used in good condition will be right on the $1000 mark. I didn't have to get used to my M2 and I own a gas auto. But their is a different noise I cant quite put my finger on it. "it will be hard to convince your hunting buddies that a 2-3/4" round was not the reason for a missed duck." I think it's hard to convince my hunting buddies that it was the gun or the shells that is the reason for missing. "I use a 3-1/2" for turkey, but a 3" and better hunting practice (patience) is A-OK for most hunters, terrain can be the main reason for a 3-1/2" load. If you don't need heavy loads for most of your use, a 2-3/4" gun will shoot easier on the clays range and will always be in the "rules"." I switched from a 3" 2 oz to a 3.5" 2 1/4 oz and have only noticed a very small difference. I still prefer to have the most I can for turkey. A 3" and a good choke will be a deadly combination and plenty. A 2 3/4 usually will not cycle better, you can lengthen the chamber a 1/4" and it will cycle 3" to. If I am correct a 3" chamber and 2 3/4" travel the same distance. He will use it for hunting anyways so it would be good to have 3" IMO. "On gun cleaning. Well only whimps whine about cleaning their shotgun. Cleaning is a ritual of inspection and care for your gun. You will get used to any shotgun and how to easily clean it; if it is yours." I clean my guns every 1000 rounds or every month. This is probably over kill but i have actually come to enjoy cleaning I don't know why I guess it is the feeling of a job well done. I would rather have a gun that cycles longer without cleaning even though I clean it plenty regularly, wouldn't you?

Yes I know when hunting a pump is as good as a semi auto. We are talking about a clay gun to, believe me a pump gets kind of annoying after a while. I have shot one by the way, It is a pretty smooth gun, not as smooth as my super nova, and it feels a little funny to me. Go shoot a couple rounds of doubles with your pump and let me know your opinion based on experience. He said he prefers a semi auto and recoil is a factor. I have made the argument that the pump is just as fast and I have lost the argument.When hunting a semi auto can be faster at times than a pump, but barely. I guarantee you I will throw 3 clays in the air and shoot them faster than you can with your pump if you can hit them all with your pump. When hunting a semi auto can be faster at times than a pump, but barely. I shoot exhibition so I know I can hit them but when I started I couldn't so you probably cant either I don't mean to offend you.

I say if his price range $1000 he should get the best gun possible. I don't want to go down the pump path again it is alot funner shooting a semi auto for doubles of any thing that flies. When I set a price range for a shotgun I usually go a little over. I dont go $700 under. The 887 is just an 870 coated and made out of plastic. If you are going down the remington pump path go for an 870 wingmaster IMO. The 870's finish is bad, but they are indestructable. They will rust pretty easy if you dont keep them clean.

The M2 also comes with 5 chokes that are 3/4" loner than standard/remington chokes. The fact that the benelli chokes are longer means they tapper smoother and patterns better. The M2 also has a raised rib and a better forward balance making it a good moving target gun and that doesn't affect stationary targets. The M2 also has a softer recoil pad and a very soft cheek piece which almost eliminates cheek pain. The M2 also comes with a shim kit to adjust your point of impact which is pretty handy. And finally the M2 has a take down case which is great protection for your gun and it takes up less space than a standard case. The M2 is superior to the 1100 and worth the money IMO. The 1100 is like the gold standard for me though. You will be happy with either gun and more than likely happier with the M2.

You would never need a 3.5". A 2 3/4 will do everything, A 3 inch will do everything with a increased performance, and a 3.5" is further increased. I only use 3.5 in seasons where I usually only take a couple of shots like turkey. But I have killed turkey with 3" before and killed it good and dead. I can afford the extra half inch when I won't even shoot a box of it a year. When it comes to mid volume hunting the price can add up and a miss is affordable and so is the ammo. If you clean your gun every time you use it both guns will be equally reliable. In theory the M2 is more reliable but this extra reliability will only be found after many rounds without cleaning. The M2's action is as good as a single shot in terms of recoil. But it still seems to kick impressively light for a delayed blow back action. The 1100 has a slight advantage in kick. As far as the actions go if reliability and recoil are of equal importance the 1100's action is better in your case. The M2 kicks plenty light for me though and I shoot high volume and average 1000+ rounds a month. I recommend the M2 but the Remington is a solid and reliable good choice with regular cleaning.

Thats alot of bang bang bang for your buck . I saved about $350 on my M2.

I say this one: It is the Benelli M2. This is pushing $1000 new in black. I got a good deal on mine just under $1000 unable to tell any difference from new. It cycles 1 oz flawlessly and I will eventually find some 7/8 oz and I have confidence it will do the job. It isn't a super light kicker, but it is a decent kicker. It kicks a noticeably less than my super nova, which is a pump and it's heavier, and a considerably less than my 870. A gas auto would kick lighter but also is dirtier, heavier, and more complicated. The M2 fits perfect for me and most people say it fits near perfect. Another good option is the beretta 391 series.

So if I am correct, you spend more time shooting trap than hunting. In this case I would recommend the M2 because it generally handles light loads more reliably than a SBE. I bought an M2 and I spend more time hunting than trap but 3" will do fine for everything and I have a camo 870 with a scope and 3.5" chamber for turkey, so I am good.

The Super Nova does have a high rib and shim kit and being a pump, it has an advantage for trap singles. If you shoot doubles it gets pretty annoying. The recoil is considerable it will make you sore after about 300 rounds in a day, but an 1100 you can shoot at least 3 times that without getting sore. If I were you I would save up for a used M2 or other good auto such as remington or beretta etc. The Super Nova is a smooth gun but you need to feel it because you might not like how it feels/swings. I don't love how it feels/swings but it's very ok and I got used to it fast. You need to shoulder and shoot a gun before you buy it. The 1100 is very durable and as long as you clean it as needed it will not fail or rust. Good luck, if you are unsure keep asking.

Thanks alot I was wondering which ext. to install when/if I install it, I will send an email shortly.

1100 - The good: Less kick, semi auto, might be worth a good chunk of change in mint condition after awhile, cheaper to lengthen chamber to 3", and many available parts. The bad: Not as weather resistant, probably fixed choke (but a gunsmith can change that), not camo, cant shot 3.5''s, not anything terrible. Super Nova - The good: high rib (good for flying targets), extremely weather proof, 3.5" chamber, available in camo, has a shim kit, and removable chokes. The bad: will kick harder, has a bulky fore grip and over all feel, and bead is a little big IMO. The Super Nova is a little more suited to your needs if you ask me. What I would do in your situation, Is go to a good gunsmith, have him lengthen the chamber to 3" and put choke threads in it, and keep it. It is handed down from your dad and in mint condition and it will probably be worth more if you save it for awhile and invest in a quality gun that fits your needs such as the Super Nova. IMO save the 1100 and hand it down to your son (if or when you have one). It doesn't sound like you are very experienced yet so you need to wait and give it some time before you make a decision you might regret.

You are very knowledgeable on this topic, as you should be. On your website you advertise custom work for the M1. I guess you could do the same stuff for a M2 at the same price? What kind of bolt release do you install, can you send me a link or picture? And what kind/capacity magazine extension would be even in length with a 28" barrel?

The Super Sport and Cordoba performance shop both use Briley EZ bolt releases. On Briley's website here they say for Beretta's not Benelli's. Any other good bolt releases for M2?

They do match up no doubt about that. They would be better matching if they had the same rib. I know this is probably a big insult to you considering how much you love them

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the vinci's looks have not grown on me but the entire gun has a little. And I choose function over fashion to a certain extent. For a hunting gun looks don't really matter, for a trap gun maybe a little but I would rather have an ugly gun I could average 99 with then a beautiful gun I could only average 90 with. Good luck with your future 50.

Oh yea I usually clean the bore snake after I use it with some watered down bleach so I can see how dirty it is. I like the bore snake pretty good.

I use mine dry except for the fuzzy tip which I put some hoppes bore solvent on. I take the choke out and pull it through the barrel twice. This should get rid of most tough stuff. Then I take a half paper towel folded in half and a jag and get the paper towel almost dripping wet with solvent and run it through. I let the solvent sit and do its job while I clean the rest of the gun. I clean the choke threads in the barrel with an old toothbrush. Then I put a cotton cleaning patch (old cut up shirt) on the tooth brush and clean the inside of the choke. Then I take a new patch with rem oil and clean the outside of the choke, and clean the threads with the tooth brush. Then I run a 1/4 paper towel sqaure through the bore about 3 times. Then I put a little rem oil on the choke threads and replace the choke. That covers the barrel. I clean about every 1000 rounds or every month. Which ever one comes first.

Why does the top one, I am assuming the 20 gauge, not have a raised rib like the bottom one? You did buy them as a matched pair right?

I am not sure, in theory the old system should be better in terms of muzzle jump because of the rear bolt stem moving at a downward angle. The new comfort tech system is at a different angle and looks a little different. Maybe the comfort tech calms the recoil alot. Perhaps the barrel is mounted lower in relation to the shoulder with the high rib making up for it. The Benelli website doesn't say the new ID system reduces muzzle climb and recoil. I think they made it this way so it would reduce the weight of the gun, because they are making the gun as light as possible. It is also simpler and the entire bolt is lighter making it more reliable. I am not so sure now that I have studied it more and thought about it that it would have trouble cycling light loads in a 3.5" chamber. When they make a better looking 3.5" vinci with more after market parts then I might have a new favorite hunting shotgun.

I was just teasing you I would take a vinci if it was given to me. You better do something nice for your dad and sister. The bottom line is you got a great gun. The fact that you didn't get all mad and start cussing me out means you are a better man than most.