chuck_s

Go Bow makes an excellent point. All my "reduced recoil" experience is with pump (M590A1) and gas (M4) shotguns. Recoil operated may require adjustments. -- Chuck

From posts here and the carriercomp website the factory tube just unscrews. Don't think you can handle that? Notes also specify you need to heat the receiver in that area to break the LockTite. Heat gun is $15 at Ace Hardware. Read the posts, I'd not hesitate to do it. -- Chuck

There is so-called Law Enforcement reduced recoil ammunition available. Hard for me to compare recoil, but this ammo is not a brutal as some. You certainly want 2-3/4" shells for several reasons including magazine capacity. This is a 15 yard 00-Buckshot pattern from my M4 shooting Winchester Ranger Law Enforcement Ammnition. RA12005. I have a couple of cases of it for a spring course I want to take. I've made it a point to steer well away from Front Sight though. Hopefully you've done your homework on the owner... -- Chuck

I bought mine at Redding's Hardware in Gettysburg, PA. After the battlefield and the college, Redding's is a must see store! -- Chuck

To remove the Urbino stock: 1. Pop off the butt plate (it just snaps on the end). 2. Remove the screw. Caution: this takes a special tool known as a screwdriver! No need to remove the trigger group. Hardly annoying or difficult. Especially since removing the stock is not a normal maintenance item. -- Chuck

The video has been removed. Anyone know if a copy or reposting? -- Chuck

They're solid enough. Problem for me is they're not fixed and tend to be in the wrong position without notice. -- Chuck

There are many of us who appreciate solid, fixed stocks. But we ain't in the zombie killing business... -- Chuck

Standard stock and Urbino stocks have basic sling mouts. Nothing fancy. No swivels. No quick disconnects. Vickers padded sling ("tactical," of course!) -- Chuck

The pattern test photo shown above is Winchester "Law Enforcement Ammunition." 12ga, 2-3/4", 9 pellets, 00 Buckshot. RA12005 (I try to buy ammo by specific designation). The shell is red and marked Low Recoil. The stock M4 three notch Modified choke was in the gun. This shotgun and choke had the nicest pattern at 15 yards of the three I shot that day, but both the M4+BB CR choke and my M590A1 (cylinder bore) were no worse than in the -1 area. At 25 yards I started betting missing pellets. Limited test. One round per target at each range. -- Chuck

Is there a Tritium front sight available for the M4? -- Chuck

Since I've not yet received any professional training on the shotgun this series looked pretty good so I picked it up about 6 weeks ago and tried some of the drills in the privacy of my family room using A-Zoom dummy rounds. My initial thoughts were "WTF, how to I do any of these with the stupidly long stock on the M4?!" The Urbino stock has made these drills very much easier. Not sure if I'm a reach over or under guy but I'm carrying two slugs up and four buckshot down in my side saddle after the video. Trying to adapt M4 Carbine skills to M4 Shotgun makes me appreciate the light weight and short length of the M4 Carbine even more. Even though a shotgun remains a tertiary weapon for me I know I need some real training and not just watching the videos several times. The exercise on the second or third disk showing short range patterning in a house were revealing. Shotgun seems less than ideal indoors unless that's all ya got or you don't care about peripheral damage. My 15 yard pattern with buckshot is pretty tight and shows below but that was slow fire in daylight, not a snap shot in a dim hallway. Shotguns are very busy. "If you're not shooting you should be loading" is good advice. I'll have to pass judgment, though, until I've been to a professional two or three day "tactical" shotgun course. -- Chuck

Brownells has a stuck choke removal tool. For $75! Looks pretty simple. -- Chuck

I had Marlin .45-70 M1895G CoPilot (modified by Wild West Guns in Alaska) for a few years that was very handy to pack and carry when assembled. Available in original .45-70 and some custom calibers as well. This rifle is a well known bear killer in Alaska. A whole lot handier then the Benelli M4 too! .45-70 has some expensive, specialty ammunition available for it. Vastly different point of impact so the rifle needs to be zeroed for whatever you will be using and a good supply of ammo maintained. -- Chuck

All slings suck, but Single Point Slings suck the most. They are a "Pendulum of Pain," someone said. They're great for the class photo and otherwise posturing on the range pretending you're on a SWAT team. A two point sling with the rear sling attachment point between the receiver and stock, though, works very well for many people and offers much more control. What works well on your M4 Carbine may be unsuitable on your M4 Shotgun. -- Chuck

The Urbino is as good if not better than the factory fixed stock in fit, finish, etc. These are (what?) a month old, so there is no long term data. It lacks the complicated internals required to unscrew the stock from the receiver extension. I'm still not sure what benefit a "quick detachable" stock might be other than the fluff claim the shotgun can be disassembled without tools. I've not yet determined how to remove the follower in the magazine without tools. Oh, I need a tool for this? So much for the claim. The standard buttpad seems softer than stock. I have not removed my trigger group since fitting the stock. This was a complete PITA to replace in the standard stock so I can't see it being any more difficult than that was. Aside from the inexpensive round head machine screw someone complained about I've not found anything wrong for my use. The M16 Rifle uses a slotted screw to hold on the stock (as well as the pistol grip) so this is hardly a liability. An Allen screw or a bolt would certainly be classier. As it is the slotted screw makes it difficult to put 90 lb-ft of torque on the critter and bugger it. My real complaint remains with Benelli who fitted the horribly long stock to this shotgun in the first place. Few of us are shooting skeet with this shotgun. -- Chuck

Yeah, this looks like what I'd like to try. I didn't see it in the catalog. I only saw those that mount in front of the stock and behind the receiver.

Once I figure out how to get the factory tube out I'll weigh all the parts. -- Chuck

The standard M4 Shotgun stock is abysmal as far as length is concerned! Why they made it so long is a total mystery. The Urbino replacement is nearly ideal length. If you're happy with the factory stock length this stock has nothing for you unless you want a cheek riser. This stock length should have come from the factory. They left the factory type rear sling mount. Something a little larger that would take an HK-style snap hook would be my preference so the sling drops down and doesn't bunch at my cheek. Will give me something to work on. -- Chuck

The stock with the cheek riser has rail on both sides that remains once the riser is removed. Part Number 90040 (Black). Mine is iron sights only so I ordered the standard, non rail, stock Part Number 90030 (Black). Perfect cheek position for me thru the ghost ring. Coyote is $10 extra. -- Chuck

No range report, but it took me about 10 minutes to fit the Urbino (90030) stock to my M4 minutes ago. Exactly one (1) week delivery from CA to OH. Stock is like night and day different from the factory stock, it's really hard to imagine how much difference a proper length stock makes. Earlier messages here noted it was hard to get the trigger group back with the stock mounted. Since this stock does not unscrew I (like several) replaced the trigger group first and then fitted the stock. Dirt simple. -- Chuck

Despite the fact I have three short barreled "defensive" shotguns, including an M4 Shotgun, they're second or even third tier weapons for that use. At least in my neighborhood. Leaving aside their weight and length for a moment they're not magic area weapons and need to be aimed with at least as much accuracy as you would a M4 Carbine, a much handier weapon in every environment. At 15 yards my M4 pattern with 00Buck shows below. Beyond that range there are pellets running uncontrolled down range. You never, ever want to have to clear your house of intruders alone. After running live fire drills in closely controlled training exercises my shotguns are the third thing I'd want to do this with! Add to this the low ammunition load you have. 0330 bump in the night scenario calls for a high capacity weapon. A 30 round magazine in my M4 Carbine tops my list. Juggling sidesaddle reloading in the dark takes more skill than I have the practice time to master. I'm not sure who said it, the it's true: If you're carrying a shotgun you need to either be firing it -- or loading it! -- Chuck

I submitted one (1) claim yet the information site lists two: Status of the first (and only) claim shows something like no eligible purchase and we're rejecting it. Second claim was processed and I just received the check with no effort on my part other than waiting. Perhaps Benelli was getting a lot of us who sent in the extra labels and fixed the process with the rebate processor. -- Chuck

Not sure why the original photo was posted... But, what the heck!... -- Chuck