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Don't know if this will help, but Matchsaverz does have a youtube video showing their product in operation on a Benelli M4. It doesn't show the installation, but maybe watching the video and viewing the location that they used might help. They also have a video showing some of the installation process of installing a Matchsaver on a Benelli M2. Although it doesn't give any definite information pertaining to the M4 it does point out how to choose a location and also mentions that the Matchsaverz can be installed using velcro pads with adhesive for a temporary location, or to test a location to determine if that is where you want to eventually permanently install it.

How about a Sig Sauer MPX pistol? AR-like platform, so it's easy to charge. Light weight and can be shot with two hands with arms extended or from the hip. 9MM so recoil is mild. Can be had in pistol form to minimize the size.

Thanks for the pics. Looks like a great setup. My only concern would be the height of the mount. Personally I would prefer something a little more low profile. I know that the riser can be removed and a lower Holosun mount can be used. Been hearing great things about Holosun red dots. Here's a link to a torture test of the Holosun 503G. It might not be Aimpoint tough, but it seems pretty tough and the price is a lot lower. For many who would like a red dot tough enough for military use (or close) but don't want to spend the price, this may be the ticket. Hope it works out for you. http://www.trucksandguns.com/2016/08/24/holosun-hs503g-acss-torture-test/

Thanks for the update. Like I said, I've heard nothing but good about Holosun and will probably give one a try. Primary arms sells a lot of red dots and other optics that are produced in China and they seem to get rave reviews in most cases. In fact if I would check, I would be willing to bet that many top brands are produced in China today. That's just the global community that we live in today. In a perfect world, we all could afford an Aimpoint or Trijicon on every firearm that we own, but when you own several different firearms, it isn't always possible to put the ultimate optic on every rifle/shotgun. Besides, realistically, most of us will ever put a sight through the workout that military use does. Personally I like the circle with the dot inside that the Holosun products have. It's like the Eotech sights. For me the circle helps to place the gun on target faster, plus it serves the secondary job of helping to illustrate approximately how the pattern of the shot from the shell will place on the target. Just out of curiosity, which model Holosun did you get? Good luck with your new sight. If you get a chance would you post a picture of your M4 with the Holosun?

Thanks for the post and please do update it to let us know how it works out. I've looked at Holosun products and although I usually avoid Chinese made products like the plague, I have to admit I'm thinking about trying one. I've heard nothing but good about their products and the price is awfully appealing. I own Aimpoints and know they are quality products, but sometimes it would be nice to get by without spending the high price that Aimpoints and other similar products command. It might be too much to wish for, but it would be nice to find a product at a more reasonable price that can be depended on.

I might give your suggestion a try. On the other hand, I had in the past, considered buying the bare Benelli C-stock and transferring the internal parts from the ProMag into it, thinking that it was the ProMag frame that was inferior. Many (not all) of the replacement parts for the C-stock are available and I would think that they would interchange with the ProMag parts. The only reason I haven't done that was that the price on the original Benelli C-stock has dropped dramatically from the panic induced pricing the last few years. Now that the price on the original Benelli is once again reasonable, there's no reason to consider the inferior ProMag C-stock.

Thank you M2_shootr for your help. Replacing the internals is a great way to improve the M4, but I'm just a little funny about keeping the internals stock. As far as the ProMag stock, I purchased it when it was first introduced at a great price thinking that it was going to be better quality than it turned out to be. So rather than just let that be a waste, I wanted to see if I could use the pistol grip with the Benelli C-stock and still be 922R compatible and not have to spend more money and change any internal parts. The pistol grip part of the ProMag C-stock package is totally indistinguishable from the Benelli pistol grip, so I feel that I am not compromising anything by using it (as far as the C-stock part of it, there is no comparison, the Benelli is far superior). My only concern is how to distinguish it as a US made part just in case the question ever comes up.

I know this subject has been discussed extensively but I have a possibly new question that I have not seen addressed and would appreciate an opinion from those who are more well versed than myself. I have a Benelli M4 that for personal reasons would like to keep as stock as possible, but at the same time I would like to make some changes to it. I have read that in order to maintain compliance with the 922R ruling, in order to install a full length magazine tube, you would have to replace 3 original parts with US made parts. The list of those 13 parts as set forth by Federal law is as follow: Receiver Barrel Bolt Bolt Carrier Gas Piston Trigger Housing Trigger Hammer Disconnector Buttstock (with integral pistol grip) Forend Magazine Follower So far, what I have done to mine was to replace the magazine with the Carriercomp full length magazine, replaced the follower, and replaced the original forends with FFT forends. From what I have read, replacing those 3 parts with US made parts have allowed me to have a full length magazine and still maintain compliance with the 922R ruling. The new part of this question involves replacing the standard pistol grip stock with the Benelli collapsible stock. From what I have read the M4 collapsible stock is comprised of 2 parts, the stock itself and the pistol grip. So if you want to add the M4 collapsible stock, you must replace a 4th original part with a US made part to be legal. If you were to replace the original pistol grip stock with the Benelli collapsible stock, but use an American made pistol grip such as the grip from the ProMag collapsible stock, would you still be in compliance with the 922R ruling? The way I see it, you are replacing the original foreign made pistol grip with an American part, and this should count as the necessary 4th part replacement which would allow for the legal addition of the Benelli collapsible stock. My reasoning for this is as follows. I would like to keep my M4 as stock as possible internally and cosmetic-wise, but still add the extra magazine capacity and the Benelli collapsible stock. I have tried the ProMag collapsible stock and find it lacking in the same quality of the Benelli C-stock. The ProMag pistol grip however is indistinguishable from the Benelli pistol grip. If I use the ProMag pistol grip instead of the Benelli pistol grip, this allows me to maintain a stock appearance, and also allows me to legally add the Benelli C-stock, with it's superior quality, without changing any internal parts. I realize that a hammer change for example is fairly simple, but I would prefer not to change anything internally. That is my reasoning on this subject. I would appreciate any additional opinions on this. Am I correct in my thinking, or am I wrong?

I had the same problem with their 922R tactical compliant forends. The forends fit very poorly and actually had to be filed down on the end before they would fit. Plus on the top edges there were several small cosmetic defects. When I contacted them about the problem, they told me that my M4 must be out of spec. I asked about a replacement, hoping that perhaps I just got a bad part, but was told that if this one did not fit, then all of the rest of them were the same and exchanging it wouldn't make a difference, but like mentioned before, they did offer a refund. I really wanted to stick with the looks of the stock forends, that's why I went with the Freedom Fighters part, but obviously their parts are not built to the same quality as the Benelli parts. I went ahead and modified them to fit, but am still not particularly happy with them, but I kept them anyway because replacing the forends is one of the easiest ways to help meeting the 922R compliance. I was using the purchase of these forends as a trial to see how the quality of Freedom Fighters parts were, but after this experience, I will not be buying their parts again. On the other hand, the Carriercomp extended magazine tube was absolutely perfect. I only hope that someday they will be able to offer some of their other products again.

Count me in. One way or the other I'm going to have to get one of these. Thanks for the offer.

I would never have had the nerve to use a torch on a $1800 Benelli shot gun even as carefully as I'm sure badkins100 did. I just would not have been able to do it. When I replaced the magazine tube on my M4 with a Carriercomp tube I used a heat gun, and to be honest, I didn't even want to use that for fear of doing some damage, because if anything is going to go wrong, it is going to happen to me. But after hearing numerous reports that it worked and would not damage anything I finally began, although with a lot of trepidation. Having never had the need for a heat gun before, I figured that if I bought one it would probably be used one time and never again so I went the cheap route. I visited Harbor Freight and bought a dual temperature heat gun for $8.99. I must admit that I was sceptical that such a cheap tool would even work, but I figured that I didn't have much to lose with only spending that amount and went ahead and tried it. It worked like a champ! After about 2 minutes of heating the tube/receiver the old tube screwed out. It turned out to be a surprising easy end to a job that I had been dreading. It seems like every time I tackle a job it turns out to be at least 10 times harder that expected, and everything that could possible go wrong does go wrong. This job was a pleasant surprise. As far as the heat gun goes, I have already found and used it for a couple of other minor jobs, and it continues to work well. Sometimes, but not very often, things work out better than I could have ever imagined.

WOW, what a beautiful shot gun, especially the one with the nickel plated engraved receiver.

I know that Freedom Fighters makes many fine accessories for the M4 to help with 922/r compliance. Does anyone know of another source for US made forends that duplicate the appearance of the factory M4 forends?

Thanks for the generous offer. Just out of curiosity can I ask where these are sold? I have never seen these listed even in the Benelli store. Thanks and Merry Christmas.

I would be interested in that as well. I just recently swapped out my original Benelli magazine tube for the Carrier Comp full length tube. While I had the gun apart I picked up each of the two tubes in my hands, and I was surprised, the Carrier Comp titanium tube was noticeably lighter than the shorter Benelli tube. I was really surprised that I could easily notice so much of a difference in weight just by picking them up, especially since the Benelli tube is shorter and I did not have the plastic extension on it. If I had a scale I would have measured the weight of both. By the way, installing the CC tube was a breeze, much easier than I thought. I don't know if I just got lucky or what, but I only had the heat gun on for a minute or two before the old tube started smoking. I gave it a sample twist and to my surprise it came off very easily. Even the threads were almost perfectly clean with practically none of the old factory thread locker visible. I always dread doing something like this because for me it almost never goes right. But this time it went much better than expected and the results were fantastic. Thanks to Kip at Carrier Comp for a great product.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they meant the spring of 2014, or at least I hope so. With such strong demand for their products, it is encouraging to hear that they are thinking of expanding in order to meet the demand. Hopefully that means that they can start supplying the product that so many have been waiting for.

Like many of you I have been wanting to get a Carriercomp bolt handle for my Benelli M4, but unfortunately Carriercomp doesn't offer them at this time. I recently contacted Carriercomp asking if they were planning on reintroducing any of the Benelli M4 accessories that they have been forced to temporarily discontinue due to the huge influx of orders for their magazine tubes, and got some encouraging news from them: "As for the bolt handles, we are planning to add everything back in, probably with the bolt handles being first, since so many people have been asking for those. The problem right now is having enough space, but we are looking into a bigger space that will facilitate that. It will probably be sometime in the spring, though, before that will happen." Sincerely, Marcy Carrier carriercomp

I received my tube from Carriercomp yesterday which was ordered on February 14. Haven't installed it yet, but it is a work of art.

I just got word from Carriercomp that my order which was placed February 14, is being coated now and should ship out next week. It's been a long wait but from what I hear, I'm sure it will be well worth it. Carriercomp must be making progress on the backlog of orders since they have started taking orders again.

"3 position collapsible aluminum butt stock with rubber recoil pad replaces fixed stock on Benelli M4 shotguns. Precision injection molded forend is constructed of a glass filled impact modified polymer with picatinny accessory rail at the 6 o’clock position. Forend has mounting points at the 3 & 9 o’clock positions to accept standard AR-15 hand guard rails to mount additional accessories. U.S.A made and sec. 922.R compliant. " is how they advertize the collapsible stock http://www.promagindustries.com/product-p/pm253.htm I haven't seen the packaging in person so I can comment beyond what I've read. I had the opportunity to see one of the Promag collapsible stocks just recently. I might not be the right person to evaluate the Promag c-stock because I have never seen the OEM Benelli c-stock in person, but from what I have seen it seems to be a pretty well built M4 accessory. I did not have the opportunity to shoot with it, and the owner had just received it recently and hasn't shot it either, but he was impressed, especially since he had only paid about $120 for it. That's a lot less than the factory Benelli c-stock is going for these days. If the Benelli had been available in the $150 range like it used to be, there would be no comparison, but comparing $120 to the astronomical prices the Benelli stock is going for these days, it might be worth considering. From what I could see in handling it, it worked pretty well. It was easy to change position and at each position it locked firmly in place. There is a slight amount of play, but from what I've read that is in the OEM Benelli c-stock also. I would have to be able to shoot it over a long period of time to see how it holds up over the long haul, but my initial impression is positive. The frame has a semi-gloss finish on it that appears to be a powder coating and it seems to be of high quality. It doesn't match the finish found on the metal parts of the M4 itself, but then I don't know if the OEM Benelli does either. It might be jumping the gun, since I haven't shot it yet and have no idea of how it will hold up, but so far I'm impressed, especially at it's price point. The packaging states that it "MAY BE ASSEMBLED FROM DOMESTIC AND IMPORTED COMPONENTS", but doesn't specify which components were US made and which ones might be foreign made. There is no mention of the c-stock being 922 compliant or not. There is no "made in USA" stamping or labeling anywhere that I could find of the c-stock. The butt pad does have the Promag logo on it. I'm including 2 pictures of the original packaging so that you can see for yourself what it looks like and what it specified. I guess everyone is going to have to make up their own mind on this product. If I could choose, I would pick the OEM Benelli, but since it isn't available to the general public unless you pay the inflated market prices, I'm sure that many will choose to go with the more reasonably priced Promag. Time will tell if that was the right decision or not.

Just out of curiosity what kind of problems did you have with the Promag collapsible stock? I know that looks can be deceiving, but to look at it, it doesn't appear to be too awfully different from the OEM Benelli. I know the Benelli is bound to be better, but I am just wondering what kind of bad reviews the Promag has gotten. Anyone who has owned one care to say?

I've been thinking about a red dot sight for my M4 and I've noticed that the Burris Fastfire has received a lot of positive comments. I am seriously considering the new Fastfire III. I'm interested in comments or recommendations on this sight, as well as which would be better, the 3 MOA version or the 8 MOA. I am also thinking about the Leupold Deltapoint. It's a little more expensive but Leupold is known for their quality. One advantage of the both of those choices is that if for some reason they didn't meet my expectations on the M4, I thought that I could still use it on one of my 45 semi-auto pistols. If I use it on a pistol, then probably the 3 MOA would be the better choice, but on a shot gun I'm not sure. Recommendations anyone?

It has only been a little over 3 months since I placed an order for my Carriercomp magazine tube so I wasn't expecting to receive it just yet, but curiosity got the best of me and I emailed to see if there was any new news as far as an estimated shipping date. This is what I received as an answer: Current circumstances have forced us to suspend all sales and take no new orders until production times are back within acceptable time frames. Right now any estimate of lead times can only be assumptions, since we have no history of this level of business to base them on. We are in the process of relocating our business to a larger facility in an attempt to catch up with production on a recent onslaught of orders. All we can say for sure is that it will be at least 5 months from the time the order was placed. December and January were by far the busiest months in our company's history. We hired people and attempted to train them, but it appears it is very hard to instill quality standards in people when they lack the passion and sense of ownership that we have invested in our company and our customers, so it has been slow-going. To compound the problem, our suppliers cannot keep up with the extra resources we need right now. We realize that there will be those who do not want to wait the longer than usual amount of time for the product, but hopefully there will still be some who do not mind the wait. Please be aware that our software requires that the card by charged by the 30th day, otherwise the authorization will expire, and the order will become invalid. If you are in any way uncomfortable with the time frame, we would certainly understand, and can cancel the order and offer you a prompt and courteous refund of your money. Please be assured that, even though we are spread very thin, we are working hard to get these mag tubes out as soon as we possibly can! We thank you again for your order, and your patience!! Humbly, Marcy Carrier carriercomp So while I am anxiously awaiting my magazine tube and it is frustrating at times, I appreciate the fact that Carriercomp is still dedicated to the high quality that they are known for. It must be frustrating for them also to face the problems that they are facing while trying to maintain their high quality standards and still getting the product out the door. I will continue to wait, knowing that when I finally do get my order, it will be the high quality that we have come to expect from Carriercomp.

Check out this video from youtube. It does an excellent job at explaining how to use it. I've been using Froglube for a while now. It is a little more time consuming to use, at least the first time, but it makes it up by making subsequent cleanings a lot easier because it helps stop the buildup of a lot of crud that usually accumulates from shooting. I prefer the paste over the liquid for most applications. Then I use the liquid as sort of a liquid lubricant on specific high wear or high contact places on your firearm. The most time consuming part of applying Froglube is the heating of the firearm prior to cleaning. Once warmed, I use an old toothbrush to brush on the paste. It will liquify when it hits a warm surface. I then let it set for 20 to 60 minutes before wiping off the excess with the microfiber cloth. And no, you do not need to wear gloves. In fact one of the advertising claims is that Froglube is food grade and could be eaten, although I'm not interested in eating it. After application it will leave a sort of waxy like coating on your firearm that will liquify when you shoot it and the gun heats up. When it liquifies it works it's way into all the little nooks and crannies of your firearms and protects it from wear.

I watched that auction, and couldn't believe what I saw. At first, from the way he described the gun, the seller made it sound like he had some special connection and had obtained a rare, special model from Benelli. Then when he added the extra information on 2/24,25 the truth came out. It sounds like he took a stock Benelli M4 which can be bought for approximately $1600-1800, unless you overpay (I paid $1600 for mine), added a steel full length steel magazine tube for approximately $160 (replacement spring free), a new set of forends for $60, and a new US follower for approximately $15, for a total outlay of approximately $1835 plus tax, added a good amount of hype and BS and wound up selling it for $4275, approximately a $2400 profit. Not a bad day's work. I just wonder how the buyer will feel when he realizes that he paid over twice what the M4 was worth. It's still a beautiful gun, but not at twice the price.