mtstream Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) I bought what was described as a NIB Vinci on Gunbroker. I received it today and was planning to take it on a trip tomorrow BUT the gun shows some wear. I don't want to wrongly accuse someone if the wear could be explained by a gun that was on the shelf (people opening and closing the bolt) and then a bad cleaning job before shipping. Please give me your opinions if you have some experience with Vinci - this is my first one. I'm having trouble uploading the photos so I'm going to post this and try to add them to another post. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=366681765 Sellers website http://www.lgsny.com/ LiVencchi's Gun Sales North Collins, NY Edited November 9, 2013 by mtstream Added link as requested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 [ATTACH=CONFIG]2303[/ATTACH] Bolt wear [ATTACH=CONFIG]2304[/ATTACH] Choke tube [ATTACH=CONFIG]2305[/ATTACH] Barrel wear mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]2306[/ATTACH] Trying a larger file [ATTACH=CONFIG]2313[/ATTACH] One wipe inside barrel on breach end Edited October 13, 2013 by mtstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]2307[/ATTACH] Bolt wear with something on edge of pin - maybe old grease? [ATTACH=CONFIG]2308[/ATTACH] Receiver wear [ATTACH=CONFIG]2309[/ATTACH] Small flakes keep showing up - they remind me of chips that come off an old Teflon pan [ATTACH=CONFIG]2310[/ATTACH] Dirt on follower [ATTACH=CONFIG]2312[/ATTACH] Fell out of bolt group - looks like a piece of hay or grass Edited October 13, 2013 by mtstream adding more pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckwacker Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 That gun does NOT look NIB. I would send it back. A $1500.00 gun NIB should not look like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 We'll split this into two parts: whether the guns been fired, and the handling/storage marks. The exterior marks could have come from handling. However; they are excessive and should have been disclosed prior to sale. Most (all?) firearms are test fired before leaving the factory and oftentimes are not cleaned afterward. Therefore new guns have been fired and may very well be dirty. However your gun shows more wear (at the bolt) and filth (choke tube) than would have occurred from cursory factory test firing. We want the link to the Auction! Who's the culprit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 There is also grease in the barrel and receiver and on the screw sides of he choke. My M4 is the only other Benelli I've bought and I don't remember putting my finger in the barrel and getting grease or finding it on the choke tube but it's been years. I've e-mailed them for an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Choke tubes are supposed to be greasy... just not black grease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigofirearms Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Holy smokes, your bolt group looks WORSE than my Vintage VERY early USED Benelli Armi M1 Super 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoetzTalon Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Emailed who? I also say post a link to the auction. Was the price as much as a NIB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 I will post the link to the auction and their shop's web site. But I don't want to post something connected to them before I get my money back first (selfish I know). Even though a gunbroker auction is a contract, and they contracted to sell a new gun, they're only offering a refund. The auction ended for about $200 less than Gander Mountain sells them for, about $100 more than I've seen used ones go for (albeit rarely have I seen a used one for sale). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy003 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 HAving bought quite a few NEW guns over the years,I've never,ever seen one look like that.Send it back for a refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 Does anyone know how to check if a serial number has been registered with Benelli? I noticed the warranty card is not in the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadDad Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Does anyone know how to check if a serial number has been registered with Benelli? I noticed the warranty card is not in the box. I'm guessing you could call them... ? (301) 283-6981 (option 2) or (800) 264-4962 (option 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 NIB and display sample are two different things. You have numerous valid reasons cited for returning the gun for a full refund. I would even push for return shipping. Return the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoetzTalon Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Yeah who cares about warranty cards and whats in the box because it should be returned for a refund plus shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 He's refusing to pay return shipping. The rest of the story: They were extremely slow responding. Took 4 days and 3 attempts by me just to get the total amount to pay them. I overnighted USPS money orders and then didn't hear from them for almost 2 weeks after they received the money. When they did contact me, they said the bank had held up the deposit for a week then they were out of town for a week (could have sent a e-mail anytime during that period). They did then overnight the gun so I could have it before my trip on Friday (arrived on Thur). When I got it home, I discovered the mess that is in the photos. He stated the gun was purchased for a raffle from a distributor (not sure why the raffle winner doesn't have the gun). It was disassembled and wiped down by him. He is still claiming the gun is new because his distributor wouldn't have given him a used gun. He is refusing to pay return shipping and depending on how you read his e-mail he may not refund the original shipping that I paid. Because he sat on the USPS Money Orders with no communications for two weeks, I wanted the refund check mailed before shipping back. He's refused to do that also. Technically, I could file mail fraud with the postal service. It would be a royal PIA and I believe I would need to actually prove the gun is not new (I would really need an expert to sign an affidavit giving their opinion - any experts in Dallas?). Knowing if the warranty card had been previously submitted could help. I wasn't able to reach Benelli before they closed today. It feels like they didn't get what they expected the auction to bring for a new gun so they've pushed all the limits including sending a used gun. If I didn't notice, then they got an extra $100 more than a used gun is worth. If I return it, they're out a little extra on shipping but that's less then they would have lost for selling a new gun at the auction price. That's all speculation but it's really hard to believe that someone who owns a gun shop thought that gun was new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I'm not surprised by the refusal to pay return shipping. It's not required by them. If they have history and feedback on gb, then they're worth trusting to refund the money. If not, then your best course may be to keep it and take your lumps. I'm still not seeing a link to the auction or to the seller's profile. Either would be helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoetzTalon Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) Wow what a nightmare!!! Hope it works out for ya!!! Just looked at the link to GB and they one catalog pic and thats it. Did have a F and a C in feedback but the rest were good. I'm thinking like you and agree that they didn't get what they wanted for a new one and threw that one in. I'd be cool with them till i got my money back then i would post a F rating with GB. I have been shooting my M-2 for a few weeks now and have been through corn fields and thick woods and it still looks like i just took the plastic off it. That gun looks like it went to mexico and has had a few thousand rounds put through it on a dove hunt. Edited October 15, 2013 by GoetzTalon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 The links were added to the original post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 It's ultimately your call. If you REALLY wanted a brand new Vinci, then you'll want to send it back for a refund. You'll likely have to eat the shipping, but I'd still approach them from the angle of, "you simply did not sell me what you advertised", so why should I be out any money at all? If you can live with it, ask for a partial refund, based on the gun's condition. Used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 Benelli wouldn't tell me about the warranty registration (said those records were kept elsewhere) but did say two things: 1. The gun was originally sold to a dealer in Missouri in 2009 2. They really don't check the warranty registration for original owner when a gun comes in for repair, provided it doesn't appear abused. I'm shipping the gun back because it's the shortest path to ending this mess. If they delay returning the money, I'll file the mail fraud with the USPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy003 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 keep us posted.I for one am curious as to how this all comes out for you.Best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I'm shipping the gun back because it's the shortest path to ending this mess. If they delay returning the money, I'll file the mail fraud with the USPS. I think that's the best course. Since they are also a brick and mortar gun shop, you shouldn't have a problem with them. Be sure to take lots of pictures and insure the return shipment, with signature required. If you used a credit card for payment, you may also have some recourse through them, if they're slow returning your funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtstream Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Never ending saga - UPS shows the return was received Tue 10/29. They sent an e-mail on Wed saying the refund would be mailed that day or the next. That same Wed. I bought a new Vinci on Gunbroker from an out of state dealer. That transaction is completed and I received the gun from my FFL yesterday. But have I received the refund? No, no I have not I e-mailed them today 11/8 asking when it was mailed and the response was "this week" They also said "FYI Distributor still standing buy initial report that gun is new, reselling in store as LNIB . . ." Unbelievable, there's nothing "Like New" about it. Edited November 9, 2013 by mtstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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