tucker301

In case anyone was wondering, that is a GRAPHIC photo! But it does drive home the reality of what can happen when fools and Grizzlies cross paths.

$60 tax

Me too. I'd go back to Gander Mtn. and get another one for $1200

Picked it up on another board. Some folks over there have their shirts buttoned too tight, and they got into a whole big thing about whether or not it was legal to shoot an intruder through the door.

It's a Parody, so let's not make it a legal/political discussion.

SRP is $3.00/bang

That does suck! I've been seeing four mature gobblers every day right across the road from where I work. And here, we don't have to win a lottery, just buy a license

Butch-M, Hope that suits you better

Maybe it's time to write the charter for "Immigrants Unlimited", or should that be "Immigrants Limited"?

I think the R1 and BAR have equal chances of being accurate rifles. I've never been impressed by the BOSS system, and everyone I know who has one wishes they didn't. Having owned both, I will say that the Benelli points better and its styling is impeccable, but the BAR may have an edge on reliability, and it certainly has the edge on the availability of parts and caliber offerings.

I paid $1200 for my LH SBEII from Gander Mtn., but it was over a year ago.

I think you guys are being overly cautious. Benelli always welcomes insight into the hearts and minds of their customer base. Who knows? Maybe a new specialty shotgun is in the works. The Benelli Wetbacker? [ 03-04-2006, 10:43 AM: Message edited by: tucker301 ]

HA! Don't I wish She's Giada de Laurentis, and she has a cooking show on FoodTV. Sometimes, when I'm not really paying attention, I'll notice that she seems to be cooking something and talking about it

I'd be quite impressed to see an R1 deliver 10 rounds into a 12" circle at 300 yards. What is the basis of the need for a quick second and third follow up shot in Wisconsin? Are you hunting deer that are being driven by other hunters and are therefore on the move? If so, then the R1 or similar is a wise enough selection. If, however you anticipate most of your shots to be at relaxed game that's either walking or standing, then the need for a semi-auto would be unlikely. And since you are more concerned with long range accuracy, then a bolt gun should be where you're focusing your energies. I deer hunt in VA, in counties where it is legal to chase deer with hounds. Typically, when I get a shot, the deer seems to be in a bit of a hurry to get somewhere, so a semi-auto is preferred. Plus, the daily bag limit is two per day, so there's always the hope for a nice double. However, when I do hunt a stand over a bean field or in open old growth, I take a bolt gun for its ability to place one precise shot exactly where I want it to be and drop them in their tracks. Shooting game at 300 yards with an R1 is not impossible, but it is impractical. You have to overcome and work through more obstacles to accuracy than you would if you'd started with a good bolt gun to begin with. Heavy trigger pull works against consistency. Narrow forearm makes canting and a steay rest difficult. Thin barrell is more subject to harmonic variations from shot to shot. Barrel contact beyond the receiver can be very detremental to accuracy. These are all issues that bolt guns with middle to heavy weight barrells addressed years ago. So, you've gotten and R1 and you've worked through all of the issues. Congratulations! You've arrived at square one.

Italian Design at its best

I just watched "Shotgun Journal" from yesterday on the PVR. They did a segment on Rainbow Graphics in Italy. Not the people who do Jeff Gordon's race car, Rainbow Graphics applies camo and highly figured woodgrain finishes to gunstocks. They also do metal treatments, and from the looks of things, Benelli's "carbon fiber" finishes. One thing I learned is that, at least with their process, the camo graphics are applied a little differently than what I'd thought. The stocks are prepped and cleaned. They are then dipped into a tank which holds a piece of the printed film floating on top of a solution. The kicker is that the film is merely a means of holding the inks in the pattern until they are immersed into the solution. Once the film is suspended in the solution, the film itself releases and leaves the ink floating in the desired pattern. The stock is then pushed through the suspended ink and the ink pattern wraps around the stock. The worker then sloshes the stock around in the tank a little bit to make sure the film backing is fully released and the excess ink is dissipated. Then the piece is lifted out and sent to oversprayed with a marine varnish. In actuality, the stock is painted with the inks, not decaled as I'd assumed. Not sure if these folks do Benelli's camo finishes, but I did see the guy holding a Nova stock/receiver piece while explaining the process. The really cool stuff was how they've developed a technique by which they can apply a highly figured Turkish Walnut finish to any plain old hardwood stock. Once it's varnished, it appears to be a $1,000 stock, but is in reality a clever look-alike.

Butch, I KNOW you're smarter than that The 700 was built for accuracy from head to toe. The BAR is built to shoot pretty good five times quickly.

Does the choke tube meet the bore evenly without a gap on the bottom end? If so, I'd say go for it.

I can't understand why so many people are suddenly looking at semi-automatics as medium to long range hunting rifles. This goes against every bit of conventional wisdom and time-tested convention there is. Inherintly, the BAR/R1 design is NOT one for sub MOA accuracy. If I were in the market for a 300 yd and up big game rifle, I would not consider either the R1 or the BAR. A good bolt gun is the only sure thing for those kinds of distances. Even then, it's going to require more effort than simply buying a rifle off the shelf and a box or two of ammo. As for the caliber, I'd look at the 300 WSM or any one of a number of wildcat loads like perhaps the .284 WRP. The basic equipment is a good place to start, but is by no means then end of the journey. There's a lot of research, tweaking, and PRACTICE that goes into developing a long range hunter that will deliver a quick and effective kill at these ranges. Here's a 30 (that's THIRTY) shot group at 300 yards shot by someone who has done his homework and has laboriously worked to develop a rifle/load combination in which he has absolute confidence. Not disrespecting anyone's efforts here with their R1's, but I believe this level of consistency is unattainable by a pencil barreled semi-automatic with a brick and a half of trigger pull. [ 03-03-2006, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: tucker301 ]

I always thought a catapult that shoots them back over the heads of the next wave would be an effective measure as well. When cousin Jose comes streaming over at 300' up doing 90 mph, you've just gotta stop and question whether it's worth the risk

The manual does explain that the cartridge replacement procedure can be repeated in order to unload the gun. "gun can be unloaded by repeating the operation, as described under point B, this section above, of the chapter: ”Cartridge replacement”."

Oh, and another thing. I have a plan to stop the flow of illegals into the US, and it's simple. We need the Mexican government to care about the problem and work on stopping them from their side too. But how? An exchange program.... Let's send them 2 useless, lazy, baggy pants & gold chain wearing, hip-hopping "American Citizens" on social assistance for every one hard-working, industrious, respectful Mexican that gets across. We won't have to patrol the borders anymore. Mexico will build a wall that would make the Great Wall of China look like a curb.

Likwid 2008 - Has a nice ring to it Intersting points indeed. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? I mean, if we'd spent all those billions on rounding up and shipping illegals back across the border, instead of invading another country based on bad intelligence and a grudge? Makes me wonder anyway.

Remy, I am very familiar with how the immigrant labor market works, believe me. But all I'm saying is that the argument that they are stealing jobs isn't valid. They aren't stealing them, but they are outbidding Americans for them. Still, they are being paid min. wage or better, so the same opportunity exists for any American worker who wants that job for the same pay. I think that's called free enterprise or some other great American ideal? Now the fact that the migrants will do more for less is a problem that won't go away, even if they do. Our society has fostered a culture and a generation of people who believe that they will either be employed for top pay, or they will not work at all and be taken care of through social programs and handouts. Sure, there is a criminal element in the immigrant population, but I think you'd find the ratio is actually lower than it is in other sectors of our society. For the large part, these people are honest, trustworthy, reliable, and hard working. That, as much as anything else is why they're hired around these parts. SuperSport, I always have and always will support our troops in whatever their missions are. I have the utmost respect for them and for their families. I think a lot of people think that you have to support the politics of the war in order to support the people doing the fighting. That's simply not the case. Just a few minutes ago, I finished fixing a computer for a young man and his fiancee. In addition top being the son of a high school buddy of mine, who recently was lost to cancer, this young man also spent a few years in Northern Iraq with the US Army. I asked him how he felt about being over there and about what we're doing over there. He said that he thought we should get out and leave this crazy ancient race of violent people alone, allowing them to fight amongst themselves as they have for eons. He said that he honestly believes that each and every one of them will fight to their dying breath to keep out Western culture and ideals.

How are they (illegals) stealing these jobs? Wouldn't an employer rather work someone who fully understands English and works just as hard, for the same pay? Sorry, I don't see the theft being committed. [ 03-02-2006, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: tucker301 ]