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Coming in late on the conversation regarding the B&T Quad Rail from Switzerland. I had made contact with Switzerland when I 1st tried to purchase mine over 10 years ago. I was told by the executive staff that they could not sell it to me as a civilian in the USA. Their contracts were with law enforcement and military only. It was pure luck that I found a small company in the US that had ordered one for someone and that individual never picked it up. I installed mine with no problem about 10 years ago. I have fired at least 1000 rounds through my M4 using the B&T quad rail and never had any gas or abnormal heat issues as the B&T is well vented. I just recently removed mine. I wanted to go back to a simpler set up on my M4. I will say that the B&T quad rail for the M4 is a perfectly engineered well made product for use by police and military world wide. I would have to say that any installation issues would most likely be user error on the installers part. It is nice to see that B&T now has its company in USA as well as Switzerland and is selling its products to the civilian market.

And what's wrong with an Eotech on a Benelli??? I've had a Benelli M-3' mounted with an Eotech and currently own my M-4 with an Aimpoint Comp 4. I suppose you would have a negative opinion about that as well. At my age and with failing eyesight , for me it is a very effective tool to be used in a complete black out situation where simply pointing the shotgun at intended target may not be as effective as one may think. As a new member you seem to be very opinionated and critical of other members weapons platforms. Each individual is going to build his or her weapon as they see fit to serve them. Nobody really cares how many Eotechs or M-4's that you own. You would be better off sticking to your stenciled paint jobs and sticking them back in the safe where they most likely sit unused. And once again, I am saying a whole lot about something Pal !!!!!!! (Looking forward to our next exchange).

I received my replacement Sure Fire M-80 back in October 2017. That is interesting that Benelli Defense is still displaying the M-80 based on Sure Fire reps stating to me that the item was discontinued 2 years ago. Based on my experience and my experience only, I would not recommend M-80 as a fore grip option. Most ranges do not allow Rapid fire. I had no issues with the M-80 while firing my M-4 under standard range rules. I found a range that allows rapid fire. It was at that time I found out the M-4 would not cycle under rapid fire conditions. The cause was 100% due to the failure of the Sure Fire M-80.

Product Discontinued by Manufacturer SureFire Benelli M4 Shotgun Picatinny Rail System M80 for SureFire Laser sights flashlights has been discontinued by SureFire and is no longer available. ( This is typically the response you get when you search for the M-80. The above response is from Optics Planet). When I sent my defective M-80 back to Surefire they told me that the M-80 was discontinued. They sent me a new replacement from new old stock.

I was stating my experience between two after market fore ends. I find it interesting that you are so concerned on dirt getting into a piston system that is self cleaning. I certainly don't expect to be wallowing around in a mud hole with my Benelli M-4 any time soon. I have cycled well over two thousand rapid fire rounds without a miss fire with the B&T. Could not cycle 4 rounds rapid fire without a miss fire with Sure Fire M-80 once damage accord. I believe that I am saying a whole lot about something. By the way, how many B&T fore ends have you had mounted on a Benelli M-4??

I have had my B&T Benelli fore grip installed for several years and find the quad rail to be very effective, functional, and comfortable. It is an all aluminum construction, far superior to the Sure Fire M-80. You can install rubber rail inserts along all un-used open areas of the rail making it very comfortable. There are not many options for fore grips for the Benelli M-4. I have found this to be far superior in design in comparison to the Sure Fire M-80 which has rubber along the barrel and the Argo system pistons. I have a previous article on the malfunction that Sure Fire took responsibility for on their poor design regarding my Sure Fire M-80. The extreme heat from the barrel would disfigure the rubber along the Argo System causing the pistons to come in contact with the deformed rubber. The weapon would malfunction under rapid fire using Sabo slugs. When I contacted Sure Fire I was told to send M-80 to their research dept. where they took full responsibility for the defective product. They sent me a new M-80 from remaining new old stock. I'm assuming that's one reason among several why Sure Fire stopped production of the M-80. I have cycled up to 250 Sabo slugs in any given day, rapid fire with the B&T, without 1 malfunction.

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You may want to consider staying away from the Surefire M80 Rail. The rubber comes in contact the Argo system pistons causing failure to eject under rapid fire. Under single shot fire you will have no problem. Most ranges will not authorize rapid fire. You would never know there was a problem. I was able to find a range that authorizes rapid fire and that is when I realized there was a problem. You could see where the rubber was melting. I sent it back to Surefire. It was determined the problem was on their side . Even know they don't manufacture them any longer they had a few left in stock and sent a new one, no charge. I have since sold it unopened for $300.00 which is a fair price. I went with the B&T Quad Rail which is all aluminum. I have fired at least 500 rounds rapid fire with out one failure. There have been other articles in the past addressing the same problem with the Surefire M80. I hope this helps.

You should always have your HD shotgun attached to your body whether you prefer a single point or two point sling. When clearing your home, God forbid you ever need to, a worst case scenario is that you loose control of your weapon in a struggle. I prefer a single point mounting platform. It would be extremely difficult to loose control of my weapon if a struggle were to occur. If a struggle were to occur, from the ready position, I would still be able to take out an individuals lower extremities.

Sorry to hear about your M4 cycling problems. I can only go by my experience with my M4 and that is it cycles everything that I run through the weapon. Long or short brass.The Argo system should be cycling anything right out of the box. I would certainly notify Benelli and let them make the decision on what action needs to be taken.

With all do respect I would not call an Aimpoint Comp 4, a Surefire M951 Light, or a Laser Lyte shot gun laser junk. I'm not sure how much you think each item weighs or how you think that my M4 is some how " Out of Balance" but for me its not. I'm not sure what your physical stature is or why you think that my M4 which may be a total of 3 lbs. + heavier than a stock M4 is some how going to matter going from a ready position to a firing position. My M4 does not sit in a safe or the corner of a room collecting dust. I'm at the range at least once a month and fire between 200-250 sabo slugs with all accessories attached. I am authorized to rapid fire my weapon at the indoor range that I go to. I have no problem with control. Not everyone has the physical capabilities to accurately fire their Benelli in that manner whether it has accessories or not. I do. The only time that I had a problem with feeding is when I had a Surefire Tri-Rail and the rubber sides melted and interfered with the ARGO system. That has since been corrected with a B&T quad rail. Weight from one individual to the next is a relative term. My M4 is fit for purpose for many different scenarios relative to me. I have enjoyed our debate and once again to Rasyad, nice job on your weapon. Blessings...

Really nice job. You have kept the lines very clean. As far as the height of the optic, depending on the use of the weapon and lets face it that typically we build our M4 shotguns for the sole purpose of self defense, the height of your optic in relationship to the bore simply does not matter. Other than it not being ecstatically pleasing to some people it will have no effect on the function or accuracy of your weapon. That's why we bore site our weapons. The longest shot that would ever be fired in your average home would be about 35'. Clearing a room 13-15'. What ever height is necessary for you to lay your cheek on the cheek weld in a total black out environment and be able to acquire your red dot 100% of the time is the correct height whether that can be done 1/2" above the receiver or 1-1/2" above the receiver. In my case using my Aimpoint it's the latter. Again, great job on your weapon.

Sorry it took so long to get back with you. This is a Nordick Component oversized bolt release. It took some gunsmithing in regard to drilling a precision hole and tap. I used a drill press. You definitely would not want to try to drill the hole with a hand drill. This is a nicely machined quality part. I preferred the circular bolt release as no matter where I make contact on the Nordick, the bolt releases. I attached a piece of felt behind the bolt release so as not to scratch the receiver when operating. As far as bolt release sitting below receiver, I attached a better pic showing how bolt release is actually sitting on receiver. The bolt release does not sit below the receiver. I hope this helped. Blessings...

Yes. Its actually an older Aimpoint Comp 2. . Again, I would like to be clear in what Unobtanium has stated in post # 28. If you do not need to raise cheek weld the best advise is don't. You will permanently loose the ability to use your ghost ring sites. If you are going to go with a red dot optic, I personally do not believe there is a more battle proven red dot on the market than a Aimpoint Comp series red dot. I have fired well over 1000 rounds using all Sabo slugs. Holds 0 perfectly. Built like a tank. This is the route that I chose to go to accommodate my needs.

As to your statement, you should be absolutely correct. My answer to your statement is that not all body profiles are the same. Before I made these modifications, in the early hours one morning, around 3AM I grabbed my Benelli. It was pitch black and no mater where I rested my cheek on the cheek weld I could not find the Red Dot. No matter if I moved my head up, down, left, or right I simply could not find the Red Dot on the Aimpoint. This was quite alarming. I never had this problem in the day as I could see reference points on the Aimpoint. Take those reference points away and I challenge anyone to re-check your optic platform in a 0 light situation and I mean 0 light. You may be surprised at what you don't see and that may be the "Red Dot". I needed to come up a bit on the Aimpoint. The Quick Detach mount that I purchased brought the Aimpoint up to its current height. Raising the cheek weld 1" was the perfect match to the height of the optic. I now have a functional optic in a 0 light situation 100% of the time. I am very clear in stating that this works for my body profile which is a 5'11" 253 lb. bodybuilder. As far as the weight of the weapon goes, even at 57 the good Lord has Blessed me with the strength of 10 men.(LOL) I wish that I could have kept cheek weld the same height so as to utilize ghost ring site if need be but for me this is the height that works. As far as time and money, $10.00 parts / 1 hour labor. (Does not include cost of Q/D mount)

I am also getting up in age at 57. I find that the push / pull method of fireing my Benelli M4 has done wonders for my shoulder and the effects from recoil. I have a B&T quad rail so I was able to install a Magpul Fore Grip. I am now able to push on the pistal grip handle as I pull on the fore grip. This method of fireing weapon keeps any recoil off of my shoulder. I can easily fire 200 rounds rapid fire or not and have no effects on my shoulder from recoil.

You're welcome. Best of hope with customizing your Benelli M4 to suite your needs.

I purchased 1" long steel washers, longer screws, and electrical heat shrink tubing at Ace Hardware. The 3 screws in the top of the riser must be replaced with longer screws. I used the heat shrink tubing on the washers. Simply install the longer washers between the underside of the cheek riser and the top of the collapsible stock and screw down with newly purchased longer screws. Depending on what type of optic mount you go with will depend on the height of washers. This is a very sold platform. (Be advised that when you raise the cheek weld you will no longer be able to use the Ghost Ring Sites).

I'm coming in a little late on this one. I've attached some pics of my Benelli M4.This set up is customized 100% to my body profile. I use a Aimpoint red dot on a raised mount. I also custom raised my cheek weld on the collapsible stock. Using the mid point setting with my cheek resting naturally on the cheek riser, the red dot is perfectly centered 100% of the time. I have also installed a laser specifically designed for a shotgun so as the shotgun can be accurately fired from any position in a home defense setting. Once I raised the cheek weld on the collapsible stock it has deemed the ghost sites useless. I felt that for home defense the Aimpoint and laser would be, for me, a more effective means in acquiring a target in a day or night time setting.

You may want to try contacting Surefire's customer service dept. Several months ago Surefire warrantied my M80 forend for my M4 with a new one. Although discontinued they still have some in stock. Not sure if the M80 will work on the M1 or if they will sell you one. It would not hurt to ask.

My issue with the M80 was a bit different. When I would rapid fire every 3rd or 4th round would fail to feed. This would only happen on rapid fire. I was firing sabo slugs When I removed the M80 I observed the rubber melted where the Argo System pistons came into contact with the rubber. This was interfering with the Argo operating system. I notified Sure Fire and they told me to send mine to them for review. Although the M80 has been discontinued, Surefire had new m80's still in stock. After reviewing my M80 they agreed problem was on their side and sent me a new m80. I recommend for anyone who has the M80 Tri-Rail to rapid fire weapon. I owned mine for about 5 years. I only recently had the opportunity to rapid fire weapon.(8 rounds in 1 second). Firing 1 round per second was fine as most gun ranges require this type of shooting. I sold the new m80 and bought an all aluminum B&T Quad rail. Rapid fires like a champ. Blessings...

"I stand to be corrected" Last week a friend of my step son went to a gun show here in Texas. He was trying to sell a custom built AR platform. I believe that it had a 14" barrel with a collapsible stock. A individual approached him, asked if it was his weapon. He stated yes. The individual displayed a badge and stated that he was with the ATF. He began to explain to my stepsons friend that his weapon platform was not legal and that if prosecuted he could serve time in a federal prison. The ATF agent told him to remove the retractable stock in his presence which with the help of others he was able to do. By the grace of God, everything worked out ok. This certainly opened my eyes in taking 922r compliance seriously. Happy New Year to all... Blessings