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Couple of months to get steel, cut, heat treat, and NiB coat. If you have not already done so, send an email to [email protected] and ask to be put on the waiting list.

Fixed. I migrated from GoDaddy to a private server, so I am less at risk from Big Tech deciding they don't like gun products or my politics. We are through some start-up bugs. I think I have a strategy. Stranger Danger confirmed to me that over the past 12-18 months there were a bunch of trigger groups that no longer could just drop-in parts that previously needed no adjustment. He attributed it to pin hole locations in the lowers. I have not taken any measurements, so I don't know the reason, but I had observed the same thing. He also thinks those cases are getting less frequent. So my strategy will be to make another run of these hammers to the original spec, which is a little fatter, and advertise them as 'some fitting might be required'. I also have a pretty good notion that these will fit M1, M2, M3, M4, Nova, SuperNova, and a bunch of other guns I will list on my site. The Benelli part numbers are not all the same, but I think the only difference is the surface coating, which might be more corrosion resistant for the M4 military needs.

Well, poop! Gotta get my IT guy back on this.

Web site is back up. GoDaddy died on us and took a week to fix. I've now migrated to a private server and the web site is back up. I was on the fence about making more of these, I've decided to take a stab. As best I can tell, about 18 months ago there seemed to be perhaps a new batch of trigger components, and suddenly my hammers would not reset on new M4s. I bought two M4 for this project, I'm not going to buy a third, but I will likely see if anyone has a new trigger group they would lend me to take measurements. I have also sent an email to Benelli Italy, to see if they will share the hammer drawings. Might be a long shot, but making these guns more accessible for 3-gun shooters who need 922R is likely in their benefit. As a side note, I got asked if these will work in an M2/M3. I don't know. MGW shows a different part number for M2/3 versus M4, but that could be something like gloss black versus matte black finish, they might still swap. Called Benelli USA customer service, and apart from telling me they have different part numebrs, they did not know if they would swap. So I bought a M2 hammer and will have a look. I do know the M4 hammer works in a Nova/SuperNova. It has an extra sear on the back of the hammer spur that isn't needed, but it still works. Art

Yeah, so bad news: it does not work. I only made 1 batch of these hammers, so I know they are identical, and I've been selling them for a while with no issues, then suddenly in the past month, I've had 4 people with issues. #4, I thought to ask him if his gun was new, and it was. I'm leaning towards something changed slightly in the trigger group for new guns. I can see two ways to make it work, neither great: 1. The trigger is not going far enough forward to allow reset. Forward travel is controlled by a notch in the back of the trigger, and there is a pin (smaller than the notch) that goes through the notch, so the notch limits both forward and rearward max positions. Dunno if the notch is too small, or the pin is in the wrong location, or has casting flash, but taking some material off the top of the notch would allow the trigger to swing slightly further forward. This is probably my favorite technical solution, but I advertise these hammers as 'drop-in', so I do not like asking a customer to modify their gun so my hammer fits. 2. You can take material off the back hook of the hammer. Not a fan of this one either, because messing with the sear geometry can lead to bad consequences if it is not done correctly. Naturally, I'll refund anyone who has issues, so no one will be out anything. I find this product especially frustrating, because Benelli has different dimensions between the metal trigger housing and the plastic, and now it looks like differences within the plastic housings.

ShootingSight makes a hammer to get you one 922R compliant part. www.shootingsight.com S7 rolled plate tool steel that is wire EDM cut, then NiB coated for smoothness and wear resistance.

I'll offer 1 roll of 2-ply toilet paper in trade.

No update. I would not hold my breath. In looking at the basic geometry - ie where they put the pivot pins, I do not see a way to make the trigger significantly better. Since there are other less expensive 922R parts out there to get to the required count, I'm just going to stick with the hammer for now. Sorry.

Are you pulling off some other stock option?

The follower in the magazine tube is a cheap and easy part to replace.

I have not shot bird shot with the M4, but I presume if I go out and shoot clays, it will cycle OK?

Just looking at the pictures, the replacement disconnector visually seems to sit further forward. Get an Amazon set of shim gages Shim gage, and figure out how thick a shim you need to fit between the disconnector and the trigger housing to get it to work correctly. Then, cut a thin piece of that shim and silver solder it on to the front of the disconnector. I get it that when you buy something, you want it to work out of the box, but between being unable to identify which part is faulty, plus with no replacements being available, plus the vendor taking the attitude that you have to return all or nothing .... it looks like you need to fix this one on your own it you want it. As an aside, what motivates the market for triggers and disconnectors? To get to 922(r), I was under he impression that after the magazine tube and follower, and forestock, you only needed a hammer to get complient. Why spend the extra and higher complexity to buy the rest of the TG?

Booth 3657, in with Gear Head Works.

Wide open chokes.

I need to stop by the Holosun booth anyhow. Maybe we'll cross paths.

What are you exhibiting? I'll be there with a booth, but this year I'm thinking about scaling back the booth, so I can spend time seeing the show, rather than managing the booth.

ShootingSight.com is making them now. EDM cut S7, with NiB coating. A whole lot less than 1700, and including free shipping.

I'd make that option 2 - looks to be a spinner.

Must be a burr in the pin hole on mine, because it looks like the hole is smaller on the inside than the outside. If it is supposed to be a straight hole, then you can just drive the pin inwards. In thinking about it, one way would be to permanently fix the detent. You would slot the tip of the handle, so you insert, then rotate it to lock in place. You would then need some sort of releasable anti-rotate concept on the handle end.

Dammit! I got my hands full, and here you go throwing me a challenge that I'm thinking about .... plungers with detent balls exist down to 1/4" easily. I'll need to look if there are smaller. If you get rid of the factory detent and just leave the hole, it might work. However getting the factory detent out might be a challenge. Looks to be a blind hole. Near term, I might make several of each to send out for testing.

I'm designing a replacement charging handle for the Benelli M4. I'm not in love with Beretta's tri-cut indent on the tip that holds it in. It allows the handle to fall somewhere between a spinner, and a non-rotating charging handle as it has 'bumps' in the rotation. But if you over rotate it, or get it between bumps, it can start walking out on you. So I'm curious to hear, who likes: 1. Benelli design as-is, where a part-rotation makes disassembly easy. 2. A free rotating spinner that you just yank sideways to pop out. 3. A non-rotating handle that you also have to yank out straight. Thoughts?

I was playing with that today, trying square cut versus radius cut versus drilling holes for the detent in the bolt to pop into. Because of the radius tip on the detent, it doesn't really prevent rotation, and if you do rotate it, the detent pin begins to lift so the handle can start walking out. I have an idea how to do it so it won't spin, and you have to just straight pull to remove it. Or I could make it a spinner. Actually, on that thought, I'll start a new topic and see what people prefer.

Thought you all might get a kick out of this. I'm making an M4 charging handle (well, likely several varieties). Stem will be case-hard steel for wear, while the handle will be aluminum for weight savings. Here is a video of the threads being cut (I love my CNC lathe), as well as some 'nearly complete' parts. Picture Video 2019-12-06 17.49.13.mov

So this is a thread from 8 years ago ... ShootingSight makes a 922R compliant hammer if you need it. Wire cut S7 billet tool steel, with NIB coating.

Do you know if the trigger designs are similar between the SuperNova and the M4?