Mike Grasso Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) I recently had the pleasure to test Federal 12g 00buck Flight Control Ammo with the standard Benelli (lll) Mod Choke and three new chokes from Mark (GTPSC) at BlackBore. If you have a few minutes, follow me through the following photos... The BlackBore choke is designed to slow the wadding down and keep it from interfering with the flight path of the shot. You can see that the BlackBore choke extends past the muzzle and the proprietary cuts that inhibit wad movement. Edited February 14, 2009 by Mike Grasso Quote
Mike Grasso Posted February 14, 2009 Author Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) In the above photo I fired a "Control Group". The Center Mass Section of the target is 5.5" wide X 7.5" long. The shots were made off hand from three distances. 8 Yards - The extreme distance for a room in your house. 16 Yards - Room to Room distance. 24 Yards - Possibly the largest distance in your home. The Nine Pellet Federal did quite well out of the standard Benelli choke (lll Mod). 8 Yard - 2" group 16 Yard - 4.5" group 24 Yards - 7.5' group Do not expect anything close to this without Flight Control ammunition!!! In the following three photos I tested the BlackBore Chokes. Upper Left is (llll) Improved Cylinder Center is (lll) Modified Lower Right is (l) Full Easily seen are some great groupings by all the chokes. Edited February 14, 2009 by Mike Grasso Quote
Mike Grasso Posted February 14, 2009 Author Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) At 16 Yards we see a Flyer in the IC and the Full which skews the results but must be reported. The Mod holds firm. I waited to see if this would happen again at 24 yards. As you could see in this last photo both the IC and Full had flyer's, repeated tests brought them out 70% of the time. The Mod stayed extremely consistent. The end result was that the BlackBore choke had consistently tighter groups then the Benelli choke. I would have to give this result to the wad inhibitor Mark has come up with. Thanks all for reading and I look forward to the following discussion. And again, DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS GROUPING WITHOUT FLIGHT CONTROL... Mike Edited February 14, 2009 by Mike Grasso Quote
M1014 Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 thanks alot for the 12 ga ammo results,,I bought a case of those flite controls last year,,read in some other tests that they're the best,,your report confirms it,,good hurricane ammo. Quote
klw67 Posted February 14, 2009 Posted February 14, 2009 Where can you buy these chokes and how much are they. Thier website offers little real world info. Thanks, Kevin Quote
Mike Grasso Posted February 14, 2009 Author Posted February 14, 2009 Where can you buy these chokes and how much are they. Thier website offers little real world info. Thanks, Kevin Mark (GTPSC / BlackBore) is a Member here, you can PM him for more info. Mike Quote
Unobtanium Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 You kinda make me wish I still had my M4. My M16A4 clone is still on back-order. Quote
Duggan Posted February 15, 2009 Posted February 15, 2009 I'm glad to be sitting on a few hundred rounds of the hottest flite control 9 pellet 00 offered by federal tactial. Quote
Mike Grasso Posted February 15, 2009 Author Posted February 15, 2009 You kinda make me wish I still had my M4. My M16A4 clone is still on back-order. Maybe this will tide you over for a few weeks........ Mg Quote
mike4 Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) nice set up for sure. you know something i don't? expecting trouble? seriously , nice drawage. glad i bought a couple hundred of those fl con feds to. gonna test some out. using up a bunch of le hornady lately. Edited March 3, 2009 by mike4 Quote
Mike Grasso Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 That's just my G-Ride, got to have the tools to perform your job. Mg Quote
Novaking Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 That's just my G-Ride, got to have the tools to perform your job. Mg Lucky ******* Quote
Duggan Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 That's just my G-Ride, got to have the tools to perform your job. Mg Hmmm ... what job would that be? Quote
tucker301 Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Hmmm ... what job would that be? Duggan, A cybersleuth you are not. Just go to his website. It's all there. Quote
Mike Grasso Posted March 3, 2009 Author Posted March 3, 2009 Hmmm ... what job would that be? Duggan, I'm an Operator / Supervisor assigned to a Federal Task Force (ViCAT) that surveils and apprehends Violent Multiple Offenders - (Serial) - Murders, Robberies and Rapists. Mike Quote
MontefeltroPro Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Duggan, I'm an Operator / Supervisor assigned to a Federal Task Force (ViCAT) that surveils and apprehends Violent Multiple Offenders - (Serial) - Murders, Robberies and Rapists. Mike Be careful out there. Gonna' put you on my prayer list asking for your safety. I'm not some kind of religious freak but DO know which end is up. Take care. Quote
Mike Grasso Posted March 4, 2009 Author Posted March 4, 2009 Be careful out there. Gonna' put you on my prayer list asking for your safety. I'm not some kind of religious freak but DO know which end is up. Take care. Thanks Brother! Mg Quote
huklbrry Posted March 5, 2009 Posted March 5, 2009 mike, where did you get that shell carrier on your shotgun? Quote
Mike Grasso Posted March 5, 2009 Author Posted March 5, 2009 mike, where did you get that shell carrier on your shotgun? It's the Mesa Tactical 8 ( prefer it over the 6 ) http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=335647&kwtid=237457 Mg Quote
huklbrry Posted March 5, 2009 Posted March 5, 2009 Is there any particular reason why you got it sans the rail or was it just preference? Was installation time consuming or difficult? Quote
Mike Grasso Posted March 6, 2009 Author Posted March 6, 2009 Is there any particular reason why you got it sans the rail or was it just preference? Was installation time consuming or difficult? It's one piece and includes the rail. That way there isn't any pressure on the receiver, as in earlier models. Just remove the screws, remove OEM rail and replace, takes minutes. Mg Quote
Duggan Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Duggan, I'm an Operator / Supervisor assigned to a Federal Task Force (ViCAT) that surveils and apprehends Violent Multiple Offenders - (Serial) - Murders, Robberies and Rapists. Mike Wow, that's quite a job. I hope your m4 serves you well. Quote
Mike Grasso Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 Wow, that's quite a job. I hope your m4 serves you well. Only taken me 29 years to get the assignment, I'm a happy camper though! Mg Quote
TerpX Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Mike G, what kind of drawer system do you have? Tuffy? I'd love to pick one up for my Excursion to hold my Benelli M4 and gear. It would be awesome to keep my Marine Corps gear organized as well. Quote
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