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I can't really see the chamber well enough to know. It looks more like a packing oil/light grease than a finish issue. The finish under the forearm isn't delicate per se, but I imagine he just forced it on. If one has it too far out of line or it binds in anyway, it can scratch it. The barrel ring that goes around it has pretty sharp corners. I am not sure how I'd feel about it either. I'm a stickler for condition and even my 31 year old Super Black Eagle is in dang good shape and it has been hunted hard every season, particularly from Sept. 1 through end of year following the different bird seasons. But, I have dinged around where the two halves of the receiver join together. I finally found a technique that worked, but at first there was just too many things to keep track of all at once. I imagine the Cabela's guy doesn't have much experience and was rushing to assemble.

If they looked new, I'd buy them. They are in good shape though and not a bad price for all it includes.

Thought it is not specifically about what you are after in this topic I think will answer your question. It has some diagrams too so you can look at those. The user StrangerDanger always posts informative stuff like that.

I don't know of any Benelli USA ones that can ghost load. Perhaps there was a very small batch of the different types, but none that I have ever found. Not that I really use it when hunting or anything, but that is one specific reason why I look for HK marked ones. I usually then have the seller take a picture of the bottom of the bolt to see if shows 1 groove or 2. MrMilitaryPolice - This thread talks about it and different ways to achieve that if desired: Opinions differ, but from what I've been able to tell from GunBroker searches I've had on since forever (I think 2001 or so), it seems that HK Benelli's do bring a small premium but condition is a much bigger factor. Many don't agree Gunbroker is a good test for prices, but it's a real-time way to see what they sell for across the US. If one is looking for that highly unusual or rare item, it is THE go-to place. I've practically filled my collection with things I'd have never found locally. I have at least a dozen guns that I can think of off the top of my head that have a production or import run of less than 180 items that were all sourced there.

I always watch Gunbroker for the national average price on things but it doesn't show any recently sold ones. https://www.gunbroker.com/semi-auto-shotguns/search/completed?keywords=benelli 11711&timeframe=1&sort=1&pagesize=96 If you have an account there, you can set up a saved search to notify you when one is listed. You log in, go to advanced search, and type your search parameters. I have always just used "Benelli 11711". You can then tick the box to save the search. Then go into the saved searches settings in your account, and have you notify you the way and frequency you want. This is how I have found all my rare and unusual things. Some things I have wanted and put a saved search took me many years (recently acquired one that was on my list since I joined GB in 2001). The search for current listings for the 11711 is this: https://www.gunbroker.com/semi-auto-shotguns/search?keywords=benelli 11711&sort=1&pagesize=96 The one listed there has been listed for quite a while. There might have been one sold for that much during the peak of COVID crazy buying, but generally speaking, they almost never go for that much. Yours is like mine, same condition and everything, unfired, in the correct box, etc. I'd be a little surprised if they'd still sell for $5k but one never knows. If you were serious about selling it, put a $4k starting price on it and see where it goes. Or, set your minimum and let it run. Just don't use reserves, most people I know won't look at a reserve option unless the reserve is already met when bidding. For myself, if I was looking, I put a check in the box marked No Reserve. That link looks like this: https://www.gunbroker.com/semi-auto-shotguns/search?keywords=benelli 11711&noreserve=1&sort=13&pagesize=96 If you do decide to sell it, you might post a link to it here since many people want one.

No, not at all. Remember the M3 has the pump action so it has a different cutouts to allow that action. Also, if you are looking, make sure you get the right age/generation of M3 barrel. From what I can tell, the older HK era models look different than the newer M3's. If it follows the other models like M1 to M2 changes, it will have a barrel ring to give a positive stop when inserting the barrel to the receiver. The older M1's as well as M3's did not have that. It's been a long time since I had either of my M3T folders apart, but the barrel lug behind the ring was shorter on the older SBE's, M1's, etc. than the newer models. The M3 has the indent where the slide lock catches so that may or may not hold true on the M3, but they are certainly different than any other Benelli barrel. Also, you didn't mention yours being a folder, but if it is, they took a unique barrel to function completely as the rear sight location is slightly different and use completely different sights. If you put a non-folder barrel on a folding stock model, the sight doesn't lock the folded stock in place like shown in the top picture. Those sights is how it locks, and there's a release button on them to allow the user to fold it down. If you have the newer style M3, you can likely buy a new one at places like Numrich, Midway, etc. Be prepared however as most Benelli semi-auto barrels are ~$500 and up for new ones. Good luck on your quest. The M3's are fairly unique in the shotgun world. There may be others, but the only others that I know of that are both semi-auto and pump like the M3 is the detachable magazine Franchi SPAS-15 and tube magazine SPAS-12 which looks cool but is a pain to use. Its controls are just awkward. I just saw the original post was 16 years ago and was necro-bumped. LOL

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/benelli/shotguns/semi-auto-shotguns/m1-super-90-military-and-police You'll want this part if you don't have anything at all. On the schematic, it's part #85: Ring Joining Assembly, New Factory Original Part Key: 85 Prod #: 741010A $38.25

Dedduc has it correct. They were labeled and sold as the ultimate turkey gun. While uncommon, they aren't exactly rare. And, though uncommon, I've not found them to increase the value even to people like myself that prefer the SBE 1. This is in part due to the fact that the pistol grip generally makes wing shooting more difficult. Not impossible, just more difficult. There were a lot of M1's sold with pistol grips, and if memory serves, they share the buttstock with the early SBE's. I have 2 pistol grip stocks that I bought 25+ years ago, one is still in factory wrap, one I used one season and took it back off even though my intention was to have one SBE configured for turkey or use with my slug barrel, the other for everything else.

Here's a diagram of the Ethos that should show everything you need: https://www.midwestgunworks.com/benelli-ethos/parts.html

I'm curious, what was the reason for removing the bluing and polishing the barrel?

There were different length tubes in that era. I used to have a pistol gripped HK era M3T and its magazine was slightly different - I think around 1/4-1/2" different than my pair of M3T folding stock models which do have other differences as well such as barrel rear sight locations and actual sights along with obviously the stock. I don't think I have any remaining pictures of the pistol gripped M3, but it looked a lot like my M1. It almost seems like there might be two different threads for the mag tubes though I may be thinking of the threads for the bolt that holds the stock

I have an older HK era Montefeltro and it was an ounce or so heavier than advertised but it was balanced perfectly. On average, I like the balancing point to be immediately in front of the trigger guard. My wife LOVES the gun! So much so that she says it's 'my Monty'. Ironically, and maybe that's why she says it like that, but how I met her was I sold her my Monte Carlo years ago. We hit it off, we started dating, and then I had to pay the car off again. 🫤

You don't need to revive 6 posts that were started at least 12 years ago. Just post a WTB about it. If you can find a picture of one, even better. I often go to gun shops and auctions and with a picture in my head and someone's WTB, I sometimes have been able to link the buyer and seller. I will be going to the big Wannamacher gun show in Tulsa, OK in April 11-12th. You can find dang near anything there with over 4,200 exhibits. I believe it is still the largest gun show in the WORLD! If you are anywhere even close to that area, it is well worth the drive. I know people drive from all over to go to it. Good luck on your quest.

I'd be interested in all except the vest. NC is in line first for the shell carrier though. Off topic, I've always said someone should make a R-vest (reverse vest). My body doesn't get cold when I am out hunting, it's always my arms. So, I need a pair of sleeves with a cord to link them together. LOL

I recommend to NEVER use a 'wet' oil in your magazine tube. I have made a decent amount of money over the years buying "jam-o-matics' that wouldn't feed after a quick look down the tube. I'd take them home, clean out all the dried chaff, dust, leaves, and everything else the environment kicks up that the wet oil will gladly stick to until it eventually traps so much of it that it gums up the works. I even sold some back to their original owners after they saw they shot flawlessly again. I'd purposely bring their old gun with me when I'd hunt with them just to show them it wasn't the gun. 😇 So, I started with dry lube in the magazine, then started using it elsewhere. Ultimately, I now run it everywhere else including in the bolt, though I do put a small drop of oil on the frame rails. I spread it nice and thin, wiping off any excess before putting my Super Black Eagle back together (my main hunting shotgun). I don't know if the gas operated M4 would need a different oil anywhere, but I've got a LOT of rounds, including a lot of 3.5" mags down my SBE and it still looks and runs like a champ inside and out. I use the cheap RemOil for non-moving parts as a rust-preventer for storage but after having a bolt literally freeze shut at 10 degrees F, I quit using it on moving parts. I put it on evenly, then wipe off the excess. I then put them in modified silicone gun socks so the Rifle Rods gun storage system rods would pass through and they give some limited protection against safe rash of guns bumping together.

Bump, still looking for these containers if anyone has any of these they want to part with. Or, if someone knows of a source to buy the factory Benelli ones online, I'd appreciate it.

I highly respect you remarkable and those are valid points. I hadn't really thought about how things would sell differently on GB versus locally. I use it something as a canary in the coal mine for prices since they have such a huge audience. It is great for finding the rare items. I didn't mean to hijack the OP's thread when I referenced what I was seeing regarding prices on HK marked guns. But, I'll bow out after saying that I am not an HK fan, I own no other HK guns. I have tried later model Benelli's (SBE2 and Ultralight) and have simply prefer the previous ergonomics. I didn't like the taller rib and the change in the point of aim. The ComforTech stock didn't seem to do much and was a bit ugly. I have a pair of M4's. One the rare 11711 that is a safe queen, and one black one built like it. I rarely shoot it though as I like inertia guns. I'm in the market for a 28 gauge and I can't find that they made any in that era so it'll likely be a Legacy Perhaps if I had started with the later models I would have loved it and disliked the earlier one. I normally like the latest and greatest thing in a lot of ways, but these, and I also like spinning reels. I never liked baitcasting reels. So, I guess I have my throw backs. 🙂

Nice 19 year bump. LOL I don't think I've seen a HK stamped M4, but I haven't specifically looked for them either.

No differences? Low rib, short recoil lug, and the ability to ghost load to name a few. Around the time Benelli USA became the importer, those all changed, although there are some interim examples out there that will exhibit a mix like a high rib but a short recoil lug for instance. They also changed the threading on the recoil tube, though I think that may have been well into the Benelli USA run and not early on. Another change made later in the original SBE run was to the tail on the bolt changing from a cast design to a riveted steel piece. I have watched Benelli inertia semi-auto shotguns since the early 90's when I first discovered them (ironically in a Gun Trader's Guide that mentioned a semi-auto shotgun that could shoot 2.75", 3", and 3.5" in any order, without adjustment which was the SBE). Along with my hunting ones, I also collect unusual and uncommon ones, mostly HK import era. I still have saved searches on Gunbroker for various models. Many people want the HK version, particularly for the ability to ghost load. If you watch eBay, the bolts alone that don't have the 2nd groove of the later model sell for more than those that do. I was just stating what I have observed during this time. I wish they weren't more expensive, but that is what I have found. But, thinking about it, it could be because I am only interested in ones in the best condition. Maybe the beaters sell for the same. I don't know. I am not interested in those. Unfortunately, there's not enough history under the advanced search / completed auctions / to be able to prove it. GB is by far where the most firearms are bought and sold so it is a good indicator of the true value, way better than a book which lags behind the market, sometimes by years. Of course things can be different regionally both higher and lower. To the OP, if you have an account on Gunbroker, you run the search below. Then, there's an option to save search and you can have it email you when one is found. You likely won't need to do that since you mentioned it not needing to be HK as the Benelli USA are almost always for sale, but you still might find it handy. You can also follow along for month(s) to get an idea on the price for yourself so you'll know when a good deal comes along. I found this exceptionally helpful on the more rare Benelli's I've wanted such as a cased Curator 12/20 set, m3 folders, an 11711 M4, or an unfired "Black Eagle" (non-super version) which often go years between listings, etc. Here's an advanced search on GB for H&K Benelli SBE: https://www.gunbroker.com/semi-auto-shotguns/search?keywords=h%26k benelli sbe&condition=3&sort=13&pagesize=96 Here's the same search for Benelli SBE: https://www.gunbroker.com/semi-auto-shotguns/search?keywords=benelli sbe&condition=3&sort=13&pagesize=96

Bump, still looking for these containers if anyone has any of these they want to part with. Or, if someone knows of a source to buy the factory Benelli ones online, I'd appreciate it.

There's always some for sale over on Gunbroker.com. If one watches for a bit, they can find one in really nice shape for the right money. The HK version does bring a bit more than the later ones, especially over the SBE2. HK ones are at least a 15% premium. Expect to pay over $2k for one in good condition and $2,500+ for great condition one.

Except that it's Italian bloodhound. 😉

How does a 12ga shell "headspace"? On the extractor, rim, or case mouth? I know shotguns with longer chambers can shoot shorter shells with no issues, but the entire shell is within the chamber. I'd be concerned not all the shell is supported by the chamber if the barrel isn't all the way seated. There's no way I'd shoot a centerfire rifle in this position, but of course shotguns are way lower pressure so it might be fine. Benelli barrels are not cheap to replace, and fingers are impossible to replace, so like the above advice, call the manufacturer and see what they say. Ask why theirs is different.

Sorry for the delay, I've been so busy with life. I haven't been logging in very often anymore. I sent you a PM, I think you can respond to it with low post count if another member initiates it. I can next time I get in that safe. I still have them both. The folders lock into the rear sight. I forget exactly, but I think it is in a slightly different location on the barrel (~3/16" if memory serves), and the stock (of course) as is the sight it has the push button detent to lock/unlock. I do know one can't simply take a folding stock and add it to regular HK era M3 and make it work. I don't think there is any chance of making it work on the modern M3 without a fair amount of fitting. I have never seen a M3T folder made after HK era which I believe ended somewhere between '98 - 2001 I think.

Is this the newer manufacture or the older release? I can't answer for certain as both of mine are the older HK era and have extended magazines which utilize a snap-ring keeper instead of an actual cap. But, I would imagine the caps from the same era would fit. I do know that on other aspects such as the stock retaining nuts, and magazine threads they did change threads between the older guns and the newer on guns some models. Ask around of people in the area. I highly doubt an Ethos or Montefeltro cap will work, but if it's an older one, you might try a friends Super Black Eagle or M1 to see if they work. If it is of the newer type, then see if a newer M2, Super Black Eagle, or even M4 might work. That is an easy enough part to try that get on a few local gun and hunting forums in your area, I'd imagine someone would let you bring your gun over and try. Once you know, then you know what to cross-reference it to. I didn't have any luck when I looked at Numrich and others as they showed the extended mag with no cap also. I did find this listing for an aftermarket part that says it works with several, but doesn't differentiate anything about new or old and does list many of the models I listed above: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1093125329 If you absolutely can't find anything, perhaps this would be a good time to add an extended magazine to it (you can still use a limiter to make it legal for applicable seasons). Just note that there are also at least two thread types for those. Good luck on your quest.