Scout_21 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) Just caught this video of the new forend that popped up some months ago from the benelli defense website. I like the design better than the B&T forend... but really not liking the curved stock piece on the m4. The color looks different than the rest of the anodized pieces. Though I'm guessing it's aluminum.... but anyone more knowledgable think it might be polymer? edit - I'm not saying it's a good vid... some of the weapon handling is questionable at best... but it does show off the new attachments. Edited February 8, 2018 by Scout_21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 That's a Benelli M4-A1 Entry model. Not for sale in America currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout_21 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 That's a Benelli M4-A1 Entry model. Not for sale in America currently. Ah thanks. This german publication confirms that it's aluminum https://www.manfred-alberts.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Benelli-M4.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topleft Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I kind of like the looks of the forend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calviroman Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 So which of us is going to fly to Europe and smuggle back 500 of these rails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendeepdiver Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) What is the reason that they can't be imported here into the USA It would seem to me that an authorized Benelli dealer here in the US could do a group buy and far surpass there minimum order of these. I think with most Benelli owners the cost would not be as much of a factor as availability. Edited February 10, 2018 by kendeepdiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 ITAR regulations control both the export and import of weapons and related bits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topleft Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 That sucks, and yet doesn't surprise me. I will present it during the NRA annual meeting in a couple months. Maybe by then, something may change. ??? ITAR regulations control both the export and import of weapons and related bits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout_21 Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 A presentation to alter ITAR at the NRA meeting? That sucks, and yet doesn't surprise me. I will present it during the NRA annual meeting in a couple months. Maybe by then, something may change. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 The NRA isn’t going to be able to change ITAR regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topleft Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I wasn't expecting NRA to, just would have a captive audience with Benelli and try to get more information while at the event. The NRA isn’t going to be able to change ITAR regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVATactical.com Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) Does ITAR keep things from being imported anyway? I don't think it does... I think it's aimed at keeping defense related items and IP from leaving.... I am saying this because I know I can't even send my drawings to overseas machinists... But... people freely import all kinds of wild AK stuff all the time.... I don't think you need a special clearance to import weapons accessories... certainly weapons and ammo, but I think you can bring in things that are not firearms..... IANAL... no wait... I am not a lawyer... Edited February 11, 2018 by AVATactical.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) I dunno, I may be wrong. US Department of State controls import and export of defense products. They also are the agency that controls/wrote ITAR. 1st page kinda explains it.......i think https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar.html Edited February 12, 2018 by M2_shootr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout_21 Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Oh, ok... I just misunderstood what you meant by "it" in your earlier post. Yeah hopefully Benelli can work through the requirements they need to quickly. I wasn't expecting NRA to, just would have a captive audience with Benelli and try to get more information while at the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 ITAR prevents you from even allowing a non us citizen from merely looking through a gen 3 nvd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topleft Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I'm looking for what would prevent a US citizen from bringing one back from Europe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) The way I look at it is this. If Benelli can’t or won’t import the part, dealers and distributors can’t get the part imported, I sure as **** wouldn’t stuff one in a suitcase. There may be a bit of a gray area with a firearm part as opposed to an entire firearm. However, I default to the above. Take importation of parts from Canada as an example. There is a restriction upon what can be imported and the value is limited to $100 for one part and a limit of a total value of $500 for a single transaction. Last I knew bringing any part into the US from Europe required an APPROVED form 6 importation permit to be presented to customs upon arrival. Edited February 13, 2018 by M2_shootr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topleft Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Ok, this may not be as simple as I thought. I'm not going to circumvent the regulations, was just curious if it was a business (not legal) reason they aren't currently imported. Thanks for the information, this gives me at least a starting point to research. If you come across other sources, please let me know. The way I look at it is this. If Benelli can’t or won’t import the part, dealers and distributors can’t get the part imported, I sure as **** wouldn’t stuff one in a suitcase. There may be a bit of a gray area with a firearm part as opposed to an entire firearm. However, I default to the above. Take importation of parts from Canada as an example. There is a restriction upon what can be imported and the value is limited to $100 for one part and a limit of a total value of $500 for a single transaction. Last I knew bringing any part into the US from Europe required an APPROVED form 6 importation permit to be presented to customs upon arrival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchap1870 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just caught this video of the new forend that popped up some months ago from the benelli defense website. I like the design better than the B&T forend... but really not liking the curved stock piece on the m4. The color looks different than the rest of the anodized pieces. Though I'm guessing it's aluminum.... but anyone more knowledgable think it might be polymer? edit - I'm not saying it's a good vid... some of the weapon handling is questionable at best... but it does show off the new attachments. The collapsible stock on this M4 looks like the one for a super nove. Just the stock, not the pistol grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout_21 Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 The collapsible stock on this M4 looks like the one for a super nove. Just the stock, not the pistol grip. Yeah it is... I really don't like the looks of the curved stock with the straight lines of the m4 receiver. But it does let you select from 5 positions for a better fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I wonder if the new tube could be used with the old M4 straight stock body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchap1870 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Would it give a better check weld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topleft Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Well, at the NRA show I was given quite a bit of information from Benelli as well as http://www.nfatca.org/ who had a booth about ITAR as well as some 922r background that I wasn't aware of. It appears at first blush with limited information, that it might be the price of the forend that is causing the issue with being in the USA. I'll post more information as e-mails are received from various agencies and organizations. Anybody else have new information either way to present? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout_21 Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 Anybody else have new information either way to present? Nothing on my end... but it does seem like a fair amount of machining is needed for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Is that a Benelli Bolt release? I would really like a slightly larger mushroom shaped button. The Forearm is nice looking. Bet it's a bit pricey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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