rgarc88 Posted March 24, 2020 Author Share Posted March 24, 2020 So I took my M4 back to Briley. I told them my handguard was "loose" and I tightened up the screws on it. It still wiggled a little, talking maybe .0625" or less of play, so I wanted them to take a look at it since my job is right down the road. Turns out the gunsmith wants to make a "batch of adaptors" to make it completely fixed. I'm supposed to email him next week to check if they are ready. All good though, I am glad they are proactive on fixing a new product and excited to see what they can do to improve it. Problem is I'm pretty sure Houston is gonna be on "lockdown" by then. Hope not but we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegie Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 hmmmm good to know, mine should be delivered friday. i'll probably install it and see how it is, hopefully they send me the adaptor if i need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocturnalnature Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Rgarc, When you get a moment can you take a few close up photos of where the handguard meets the receiver? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarc88 Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 56 minutes ago, Nocturnalnature said: Rgarc, When you get a moment can you take a few close up photos of where the handguard meets the receiver? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocturnalnature Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Many thanks my good man! I think I'll end up ordering one once you post up about the shim fix to eliminate any wobble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milspec Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 3/20/2020 at 11:16 AM, rgarc88 said: So this my M4 with the mlok handguard from briley. Also has the match trigger, a & s trigger guard, extended safety, and opened loading port. will post a couple more pics when I get home. I’ve got just a couple more things like a front grip Very nice! Who did you source that SRO cover from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegie Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 just got mine and installed it, looks great, i did notice a little bit of movement when twisting the hand guard. i'll wait to see how they fix yours before emailing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarc88 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 8:36 AM, Milspec said: Very nice! Who did you source that SRO cover from? range panda. they literally bounce a hammer on the thing in their promo video and it maintains its shape. highly recommend. I even keep it on in my pelican case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarc88 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 9 hours ago, joegie said: just got mine and installed it, looks great, i did notice a little bit of movement when twisting the hand guard. i'll wait to see how they fix yours before emailing them. Im eager to see what their fix is. I completely understand there being a hiccup here and there when it comes to a new product. These folks are pretty sharp, Im sure they can help us out and will wait with enthusiasm. That being said, I hope they can help us before total lockdown in Houston with respect to COVID-19. Ill give them shout Monday. I drove by earlier this week and they were open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milspec Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, rgarc88 said: range panda. they literally bounce a hammer on the thing in their promo video and it maintains its shape. highly recommend. I even keep it on in my pelican case After using my searchfu that's what I suspected. They look better than the competitive options. Thanks for sharing. Now to figure out which version I need for a Sync mount. The standard I believe. Edited March 28, 2020 by Milspec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegie Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, rgarc88 said: Im eager to see what their fix is. I completely understand there being a hiccup here and there when it comes to a new product. These folks are pretty sharp, Im sure they can help us out and will wait with enthusiasm. That being said, I hope they can help us before total lockdown in Houston with respect to COVID-19. Ill give them shout Monday. I drove by earlier this week and they were open. awesome, keep us posted, i'm not in a rush, down in san diego i'm pretty sure all ranges are closed so i can't go out and play anyways lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 This rail looks like it might have some potential. The extended length might get two cell light pretty close to the muzzle to minimize barrel shadowing. The user could then use the new Unity Tactical Hot Button mlok remote switch. Mlok remote activation switch. https://arisakadefense.com/collections/tailcaps-remotes/products/unity-hot-button-m-lok Replacement weapon light body, not necessary but recommended. https://arisakadefense.com/collections/tailcaps-remotes/products/modlite-18650-body Impact Weapon Components Inline Mlok light Mount https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/thorntail-inline-for-m-lok/ Surefire M600DF 1500 lumens https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/surefire-m600df-scout-blk-1500-lumen/ Surefire remote switch cap. https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/surefire-m6xx-sw-tail-cap-no-cable/ Or https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/surefire-replcemnt-rear-cap-m300-600/ Angled Mlok QD sling mounts https://www.strikeindustries.com/shop/si-link-aqd.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarc88 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, StrangerDanger said: This rail looks like it might have some potential. The extended length might get two cell light pretty close to the muzzle to minimize barrel shadowing. The user could then use the new Unity Tactical Hot Button mlok remote switch. Mlok remote activation switch. https://arisakadefense.com/collections/tailcaps-remotes/products/unity-hot-button-m-lok Replacement weapon light body, not necessary but recommended. https://arisakadefense.com/collections/tailcaps-remotes/products/modlite-18650-body Impact Weapon Components Inline Mlok light Mount https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/thorntail-inline-for-m-lok/ Surefire M600DF 1500 lumens https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/surefire-m600df-scout-blk-1500-lumen/ Surefire remote switch cap. https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/surefire-m6xx-sw-tail-cap-no-cable/ Or https://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/surefire-replcemnt-rear-cap-m300-600/ Angled Mlok QD sling mounts https://www.strikeindustries.com/shop/si-link-aqd.html Been actually looking at the 640DF from Surefire. This is a nice list. I appreciate you doing my homework haha. Definitely need to need to take a closer look at Arisaka. I have a few adaptors from them. They are rock solid and really top notch. Thanks for the input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I might have to stimulate the economy when I get my Trump bucks and put one together too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarc88 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, StrangerDanger said: I might have to stimulate the economy when I get my Trump bucks and put one together too! Your gonna need to have a lot of kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdog19 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Gents – I’ve been following the market for replacement forearms like many of you have. SD’s shopping list above along with many of your posts has reinvigorated my search. I am currently running a shitty old light on an IWC mount with a tape switch that sits right where my support thumb wants it to be. Also an RMR on a Scalarworks mount. My wish list for an overall upgrade is: Light or light/laser combo (Streamlight?) probably mounted on the right side with a tape switch/Arisaka Hot Button on the left side for my support hand thumb. Also a QD swivel for a sling (BF or MPUL) on the forearm. Here is what I “think” is my priority for aftermarket forearms. You can reach-out and disagree if you want; my mind is malleable (or maybe just mush'able). 1) Ergonomics – properly placed controls for a natural grip that allow for intuitive/natural and reliable function. I like the OEM grips but obviously have not had a chance to fondle the others! 2) Form Fit and Function – Ease of assembly/disassembly with attach points that are strong to withstand torque, bend, stress of a sling mounted on the pointy-end. Manufacturers and YouTuber's are not giving good tutorials on how these things are attached, accept for Hayl Rail. 3) A close #2 is weight. Todd from FFT had no idea what the Truckees weigh so I’m reaching out to MESA. Brileys are hefty. 4) Price – Though the Brileys ain’t cheap! Here is what I have so far: Length Price Weight OEM forearm 7.5" 4.8 oz Hayl Rail MLOK 7.5" $115 6.6 oz Truckee FFT 8.5" $100 Truckee FFT 11" $120 Briley 3Gun 8" $275 9.5 oz Briley 3Gun 13" $325 12.9 oz A lot of good comments from you posters on this thread. Your thoughts have influenced my thoughts above. Rgarc and joegie – Please let us know what Briley does to satisfy the fitment issue. What are the attachment points on the forward end of the forearm? I would think there is got’a be something around the barrel lug to support the forearm. Seems like a weak area to the uninformed me. CalPatriot – Did you ever get your Truckee? Like it? Same question, how does it attach toward the forward end of the forearm? The Hayl Rail may not be a bad option with the RTV applied to get rid of the setscrews? The upper MLOK slots look to be in a natural position for tail cap, Hot Button or tape switches. It also looks like the thing is covered in MLOK positions but am guessing not; probably ventilation ports and weight reduction cutouts. I know this is a Briley MLOK Thread, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Briley and others. Thanks, Ave Perrito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) Here is my deductive reasoning. If you’re going to mount the light where the Strike Industries or the short Briley rail provides, you might as well just use a IWC mount and skip the weight/cost penalty. The Truckee has the mlok sockets in the wrong spot in my opinion, so it’s a no go. Now if you can deal with the weight penalty of the longer Briley rail, you pick up the option of mounting the light so that you’ll have minimal barrel shadowing. This is a big step forward from the IWC or Ava Tactical mounting options which have massive amounts of shadowing to the opposite side that the light is mounted. It’s tough to beat the ergonomics of the OEM handguard. I haven’t handled the Briley rail yet, but I imagine it’s not terrible. Add some nice rail covers and it’ll be better. The Strike Industries rail felt good, but it had its stupid mounting system. It also mounts a light about where the IWC/AVA solutions do, so why bother? As for mounting a laser, as long as your expectations are forgiving, you’ll be alright. The rails don’t quite seat to the same place every time. It’ll be good enough for shotgun distances. Edited March 29, 2020 by StrangerDanger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegie Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 @Birdog19 the briley handguard attaches like the oem, where the barrel cinches it against the receiver with the mag tube cap, there is no movement unless you twist the handguard, it’s very minimal but it’s present. there’s no forward movement on the handguard, so i’m guessing there’s some play where the barrel cinches down onto the handguard allowing the handguard to twist in the mount. also the front of the handguard is open, so there’s only 2 points of contact with the receiver and the barrel. i haven’t had the chance to shoot it with the new handguard, also i haven’t adjusted any of the screws that are on the handguard. i’ll be interested to see how they fix this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdog19 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 JoeGie - Thanks for the info. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdog19 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 2:46 PM, Birdog19 said: For those that care, MESA tactical got back to me with the weights for the Truckee forearms. I added the info below: Length Price Weight OEM forearm 7.5" 4.8 oz Hayl Rail MLOK 7.5" $115 6.6 oz Truckee FFT 8.5" $100 9.0 oz Truckee FFT 11" $120 11.0 oz Briley 3Gun 8" $275 9.5 oz Briley 3Gun 13" $325 12.9 oz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I was looking at going with the Briley 13" rail today. The Briley rail ends almost where the current weapon light head ends on my M600 Intellibeam. Which we can say is roughly 5.5 inches long. On my setup, the light starts at 7.5". I can only estimate with the Briley rail, but I would estimate that it would start from the 12-13.5 inch range. That would get my light nearly flush with the muzzle which would eliminate barrel shadow. There is a variable in using the Impact Weapon Components MLOK light mount. There are three options available. The first isn't meant to overhang off the end of the rail. Two and three are beefier and designed to extend forward off of the rail. I think we can get buy with option 1 which is lighter and cleaner of an installation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarc88 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 So I got an email back from briley. The adaptors should be in this week. They are being anodized. that being said, if you refer to the date of my original post, I was told the hand guards were also being anodized and would be out in a couple weeks initially. They ended up coming out weeks later. i work with metal, it doesn’t take a couple of weeks, typically, to get something anodized. Turnaround is usually a week at the most. I’ll keep y’all posted to see if this time they stick to the week lead time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegie Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 are they free or charge or do we have to pay for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgarc88 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, joegie said: are they free or charge or do we have to pay for them? I’m not paying for them fixing their defective hand guard. Just depends on you though I guess. Not trying to be snarky, I honestly don’t understand how any company would expect you to pay in this situation. I’m not even going to install it, I’ll let them do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegie Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 haha alright, keep us posted, maybe they'll just want to swap the handguard then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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