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10gauge,

called Kicks again and spoke w/ another individual and best I can tell is the diff in Kicks and Comp-n-choke is the metal and they way they are ported. He talked me into getting a Kicks .665 for the Win XR #5's. I am going to start w/ that load and go from there. Am going to shoot it this weekend and I will let you know.

 

Eagle, a .665" sounds like a better choice in my opinion. The Winchester Supreme Xtended Range that I'm familiar with is a High Density shot (10% denser than lead) and Hevi-Shot is also high density shot as is Remington HD....these are all "heavier than lead" loads and should be used with more open chokes than standard "lead" turkey loads. I've found .665-.675" chokes tend to work best with HighDensity shot.

 

keep us posted...if the end of the choke blows off you'll know the shot was too hard and/or the choke was too tight! ;)

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hevi-shot is hard, hard as steel in fact so it will perform like steel in a full choke ie; BLOW IT UP. alot of chokes say for use with lead or hevi-shot only but that is because hevi-shot used to be soft but the formula was changed to make it hard.:eek: as far as i now all other nontoxic shot (the expensive stuff) out there is soft not as soft as lead but close enough to be shot from a full choke. hevi-shot even came out with some its called Classic Double " for your vintage double". hope this helps

 

Jeff

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This may be a stupid question...but when looking to buy a Primos Jellyhead...is there a certain model for the Benelli SBEII? I saw some at the store yesterday that were labeled as Beretta/Benelli, but wasn't sure if this model was OK for the SBEII. If so, I guess I only need to focus on constriction size? (Not looking to damage my gun or choke this turkey season!)

I currently have a Kicks GT and after reading more thoroughly through this topic may take it back for a Jellyhead. TIA!

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This may be a stupid question...but when looking to buy a Primos Jellyhead...is there a certain model for the Benelli SBEII? I saw some at the store yesterday that were labeled as Beretta/Benelli, but wasn't sure if this model was OK for the SBEII. If so, I guess I only need to focus on constriction size? (Not looking to damage my gun or choke this turkey season!)

I currently have a Kicks GT and after reading more thoroughly through this topic may take it back for a Jellyhead. TIA!

 

T2,

 

Chokes marked Beretta/Benelli or Ber/Ben are typically MC style or "Mobil Chokes" and work in SBE's, M1S90's, Nova's but NOT in the newer SBE2 gun. The SBE2 has Crio+ chokes (CrioPlus) and these are the same choke as the Beretta Optima+ (OptimaPlus). The Crio+ choke is longer than the MC style.

 

Before you send the Kick's back I'd shoot it with a couple of loads.....I shoot the Kick's GT in my SBE and it shoots a great pattern with Winchester XX Magnums or Federal Turkey Loads (#5 or #6...6's are best in my gun).

 

stmike makes a valid point regarding #6 Pheasant loads....these are typically copper plated shotshells and tend to shoot nearly as well as turkey loads....and pheasant loads are much cheaper! The main difference, aside from finding a 3-1/2" pheasant load, is most pheasant loads are not buffered where turkey loads are. buffering helps to improve pattern performance at distances beyond 25 yards by preventing pellet deformation in tighter turkey chokes and for this reason most ammo makers use "buffered shot" in Turkey loads!

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10 Gauge...thx.

 

I'll definately try the Kick's before taking it back and will look into the pheasant loads. One more question, will the Kick's GT .655 handle the "heavier than lead' loads ok? I finally found some Winchester Supreme XR #5's and #6's and was considering using them. Thanks for all the help fellas!

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10 Gauge...thx.

 

I'll definately try the Kick's before taking it back and will look into the pheasant loads. One more question, will the Kick's GT .655 handle the "heavier than lead' loads ok? I finally found some Winchester Supreme XR #5's and #6's and was considering using them. Thanks for all the help fellas!

 

Kick's website says not for Hevi Shot. It doesn't mention XR's. Other websites like www.midwestturkeycall.com says that Kicks are ideal for XR's.

 

I'm thinking that XR's are not quite the same as HS. Similar, just not the same.

 

I'd say you are fine with Kicks and XR's. You may not like the pattern from the Kicks though, I have not liked any Kicks pattern with XR's. BUT, the best patterning gun I have ever owned was a SBE with a Kick's .660 and lead #6's. Don't even get me started on why I sold that gun :(

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Mudhen...man have you been a lot of help...THANKS!

 

What shells would you recommend for the Kick's .655 tube? 10Gauge has said Winchester XX Magnums or Federal Turkey loads. I have also heard Winchester Supreme #5's. Any experience?

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mudhen is right XR's are high density or heavier than lead but NOT as dense as Hevi-Shot 13 for example. Not ALL HD shot is created equal....lead is around 10-11g/cc density....std Hevi-Shot (Remington) is supposed to be 11-12g/cc and Environmetal's Hevi-Shot 13 is 13g/cc. The Winchester XR actually falls between lead and the std Hevi-Shot around 11.10-11.89 from what I can find published on this product. Remington changed their Hevi-Shot a couple of years ago by lowering their density in some waterfowl loads (9-10g/cc) and it isn't as good a lead but it's better than steel!

 

My Kick's is a .660" and like mud say's it shoots #6 copper plated lead better than anything i've tested....it shoots 3" better than 3-1/2", too! This is my favorite combo in the SBE & might be in my SuperNova (have yet to test it). Over 50 years ago a couple of guys did some research and found 2-3/4" shells patterned better in 3" chambered guns.....and I've seen the same in my 3-1/2" guns, 3" shells pattern better than 3-1/2" in my testing.

 

I'd test those Win XR's in the Kick's .655" tube but i agree with mud you may get better performance with a more open choke.....something like .665" or even a .670" with #5's and "higher density" shot (has been my experience anyway). Try some good ole "inexpensive" Federal Turkey loads in 3" & 3-1/2" #6 shot, too and you might be surprised how these will perform in the Kick's .655" tube!

 

Mud, I wish we lived closer it would be fun getting together and comparing notes it looks as if we both have covered similar ground over the years with respect to patterning. The two gentlemen I mentioned above who tested patterns over 50 years ago put their work in print. If you have never read their work I recommend it....it's highly technical because it was "engineering" research back in the day....look for "The MYSTERIES OF SHOTGUN PATTERNS" by George G. Oberfell & Charles E. Thompson. The stuff they uncovered over a half century ago is still useful today and unfortunately their work is so obscure today that many of us are "repeating history" unnecessarily!

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Mudhen...man have you been a lot of help...THANKS!

 

What shells would you recommend for the Kick's .655 tube? 10Gauge has said Winchester XX Magnums or Federal Turkey loads. I have also heard Winchester Supreme #5's. Any experience?

 

I might try Win HV copper coated lead #6's. Win XX's might be good as well. I'd like to say try Fed HW #7's, but they have a flite-control wad and are not recommended in ported chokes.

 

I'd go with 6's over 5's as larger shot tends to like more open constrictions.

 

I'd test some 3" shells first. I've heard that some folks have good luck with 3" shells in tighter chokes.

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Just got my jellyhead choke for my SBE II and patterned it. Tried Win HV 3.5 #5 and #6, Federal HV flight control 3.5 #5, Federal Mag-Shock flight control 3.5 #5 and #6.

 

Went with the Federal Mag-Shock 3.5 #6, downright awesome pattern.

 

Curious to how well 3" in the above loads will do. Would also like to try Hevi 13.

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Did you get to try some of the Win Extended Range High Density 6's ?Most on here it seems have better results with those and the Jellyhead.Thats the combo my SBE likes,the Hevi 13 also does well.

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No, I did not get to try any Win Ex. Range yet. I hope to be able to try them and Hevi 13 before season though. I like 3.5's but have heard that 3" sometimes shoots better out of 3.5" guns. Plenty of experimeting left to do. My SBE II definitly did not like any of the high velocity loads from Win or Fed.

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so much info. Bought the Kicks .655 for my SBE2. Read so much on this site,I was about to return it today for a jellyhead. Now I have no idea what to keep.

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so much info. Bought the Kicks .655 for my SBE2. Read so much on this site,I was about to return it today for a jellyhead. Now I have no idea what to keep.

 

Keep that Kicks... That's what my buddy shoots in his SBEII and it is great. I believe you will like it. He shoots Winchester Supremes and loves it. I've seen several big toms die in front of it.

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Hey y'all, just bought my first turkey choke from kicks. It's a gt .670 and I'm kinda iffy about if I really want to use a choke that size or go tighter. Can anyone tell me if I can pattern the choke and still sEnd it back if I don't like it??

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If you got the Kicks Gobblin Thunder.....Kicks web site says not recommended for steel or Hevi-shot, would keep that in mind.

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I'm waiting on my supernova and its on backorder from local gunshop and I'm looking for a choke also. I've read all the posts about chokes and haven't seen anything about hevi-shot choke's. Has anyone tried them? By the way I'm the new guy. Thanks, David

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