SgtCathy

Could this new shotgun be the answer to all my dreams? A true zombie slayer in 20 gauge M4 version with extented 12 round magazine and a folding 21" hollow titanium bayonet, built in light with Day-Glow Orange stock and a Browning A5 first round speed load feature? Of course it will have Quail in gold reliefs on the receiver for those hunter types and a 3 point combat sling.

What is a " 9 bore mythos " ? I thought Mythos was a breath mint...

The new Vinci is a bolt action, 16 guage with a white Birch stock and standard full choke. It does have a never before seen floating barrel system. Comes with a 30" barrel, sling swivels and a package of lolli-pops.

All shotguns from single shot break opens to SBEII's, will shoot 7/8 ounce girly loads. Just one shot at a time. Don't remember what make/brand shotgun it was, but back in the late 60's, a friend had what appeared to be a 12 guage semi-auto shotgun. However, after every shot, you had to pull out the over sized bolt charging handle about an inch, rack it back and forward again (to eject the old shell and load a new one) and then push the bolt handle back into place. Sort of like a bolt action shotgun that looked every bit the part of an auto. I believe it was made in Canada. The point is, the young guy was very good with that gun and rarely missed a duck. He could work that wierd bolt handle fast also. So.... load up those SBEII's with anything you want. I never could understand the need to throw 2 ounces of steel shot into the sky anyhow. Of course there is the "ka-boom" factor when you fire a 3+1/2 inch, and the "ker-splash" factor when your buddies watch that empty 3+1/2 inch shell spinning threw the air and landing in the mud. All part of the duck hunting experience, unless of course one of your team mates is shooting an SP10, then you'll need an upgrade. "long live 7/8 ounce girly loads!"

For Leftie: A few companies like Browning and Ithaca and others make pump shotguns that eject and load, from the bottom. Recently I saw an automatic that also loads/ejects from the bottom and the bolt was on the left side (Remingtom maybe?). Unfortuneately all double barrel, over/unders and single shot shotguns are right handed only (just teasing). The only thing I have never seen is a left handed bolt action shotgun. Was I was 16, had a bolt action J.C. Higgins 16 gauge, tubular fed shotgun (fixed full choke) that was totally awesome but not to keen for a leftie.

I own many shotguns including 2 Benelli's and if your money is tight I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a Mossberg 500 combo (2 barrels). My brother got one almost 30 years ago when their quality control was non-existant. The pump wouldn't slide and it rattled like crazy. I had to smooth out some burrs and a couple of rough tools marks and gave it back to my brother. He shoots it all the time and then tosses that old 500 into his closet. I don't believe he has ever cleaned or oiled it. Nothings seems to stop that old Mossberg. After 30 years it still rattles a lot, but works smoothly and completely. My brother is brutal on tools and the fact his Mossberg still works at all is a miracle.

Way back in the shotgun golden years when a person wanted to purchase a shotgun, they would borrow a Browning A5, shoot that a few times and then practise on a Remington 1100 and finish with a double barrel 12 gauge. Then on that magic day, a buddy showed up at the range with a Benelli and after a few rounds shooting the Benelli, our hero finally made his choice. What's the differences from an A-5, 1100, double barrel and Benelli? That's what a shotgunner learns, so that when you finally make your choice you know what your getting, how it works and most importantly, what to expect. Now prospective shotgunners order a weapon from the confines of their sleak office and after it arrives, start asking questions about; how to load it, how come it kicks so much, why does it rust after one season in the salt blinds and other neophyte stuff. "Are you a shotgunner?" If you haven't taken the time to learn about your purchase, you're not. As for recoil, that's sort of like playing football. The first time you are tackled, it hurts like the devil. As you learn the game and how to play it, a tackle becomes just another part of the experience. If you don't like to be tackled, buy a 20 guage gas operated gun and a box of tissues. In all my years of visiting this sight, I am so totally amazed with the questipns on "How does it work?" and "Oh my God, it kicks! What's up with that?" Don't blame President O'Bama if you can't figure out how your automatic coffee maker or new Benelli shotgun works. I own a lot of different makes, models and shotgun firing systems and when that clay pigeon launches or a Pheasent flys up, who notices or even cares about the recoil. Come on you guys, "Cowboy UP!" My two most favorite shotguns are a Browning over/under and of course my beloved short stock 20 gauge Monty. When my friends have a "Show off your LE/HD shotgun" day at the range, out comes my H&K S90 M1 (Defense configuation).

Hey, my answer didn't appear. Geez, that was annoying. Anyhow, the answer to your second question was because the rotating bolt head on your SBE 2, wasn't locked into position, thusly preventing your SBE 2 from receiving rounds into the magazine tube. Try this, in a safe place. With an empty SBE 2, ease the bolt head closed, very gently. Now try and load a shotshell into the magazine. It doesn't work. Now with the same empty SBE 2, allow the rotating bolt head to slam home and fully lock-up. Now try to load a shotshell into the magazine and TA-DA, it works! In short, the rotating bolt head must be fully engaged and locked into battery before you can load shells into your magazine. Also as a reminder, when shooting your SBE 2, always check that your rotating bolt head is indeed locked in battery or you will get the infamous Benelli "click", which is the firing pin dropping, but not striking the shotshell primer or as my duck hunting friends would say "^$#@?!* missed bird". (A true duck hunter never blames himself, always the gun)

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Many years ago during my Vietnam era war years, I knew serveral guys that just couldn't wait to "blow away" as many VC as possible. They lusted and bragged. What they forgot was that these VC would be shooting at them also. After all these years, these guys and many more of my friends (the ones that came home alive) don't talk much about shooting people anymore. Taking a human life in war or at 2:00 AM in the morning in your hallway, is a difficult thing to do and to live with. I'm happy to say that the 3-4 times I almost had to kill, the criminal backed down and dropped their weapon. I strongly believe in protecting yourself and family and being prepared with good solid training and common sense, but when you "arm-up" and practically dream about killing with elaberate plans and defense postures, you have already lost your humanity. My badge now rest in a display case and my weapons in a large gun safe. It's the Christmas season and I have lot's of presents to buy and many more happier thoughts to think about.

The Mossy 590A is a rock solid military issue shotgun that is far and above better than their commercial models, plus if all else fails, it will accept an issue M9 bayonet and with a very slight modification, the USMC bayonet. Of course I do have an early H+K M1S90 in defense configuration (7+1) with pistil grip. Bought it new in 1987 and it hasn't burbed ounce in all that time. I did manage to get a wooden butt stock with 13" LOP for my Mossy 590A a few years back. That 13" LOP made all the difference. The wooden butt stock with 13" LOP is a LE option only and Mossberg will deny even having them, but they do. Sort of wish I could get a 13"LOP for my M1S90 :-)

In keeping with the gun laws of Massachusetts, I have only pictures of my personnel firearms. Attached to each picture is a photograph of an approved trigger lock and the entire pile of paper is clipped together with a picture of a quality gun safe. I'm still waiting on my official state ammunition photograph permit, so I can have pictures of ammo to go with each weapons picture. I should also mention that pictures of any shotgun capable of holding more than 5 rounds, is banned totally. Not tp worry though, I carry with me a picture of a can of pepper spray, in case I'm attacked. P.S. The State Police don't know this, but I have a picture of a long bayonet hidden in my house !!

Oh wow! Does that mean if I photoshop my M1917 bayonet (17+1/1 " long blade) onto my H+K M1S90, that an attachment might be in the works? Could my Christmas wish really be coming true?

In the grand state of Massachusetts, I used to vote for folks that said they would leave the gun laws alone. Back then you could go to the local Police Chief and get a temp permit to purchase a handgun, bring it home and keep it in your house forever. This temp permit didn't allow you to carry or take your new purchase to the range. Then starting in 1986, those people I voted for started making huge sweeping changes in the state gun laws. In 2008, trying to purchase a legal Massachusetts firearm, is a long and difficult procedure that will cost you lots of money and time and just pray your home town Chief is not an anti-gun sort of guy, because the bottom line is, it's his "whim" if you get a permit or not. Of course none of our new laws pertain to criminals. The moral of my little story? Politician's will say whatever it takes to get elected and then do whatever they want afterwards. In Massachusetts, if anybody finds out I subscribe to this forum, the state police will tap my phone line.... hey what was that click I just heard?

Wow, an excellant door prize! I'm told by a very high ranking official in the state government of Massachusetts, that's it's perfectly legal to give away that sharp looking gun case, provided none of the contents are included and that you are in possession of a large capacity class "A" permit because the case "implies" the possible ownership of a firearm. However, free french fries are allowed with proof of sales tax paid and provided the gift is reported on the state income tax form.

Is DU some secret organization like the CIA? I'm pretty sure DU is not allowed in Massachusetts along with any other group that advocates the use of firearms.

Wished they would have those shows on the outdoor channel here in Massachusetts. I get motor cross racing and an occasional bow hunt. There's a rumor that in western states, Wal-Mart actually sells firearms and ammunition! No way !! When I was younger, used to hear stories about pick-up trucks being driven around with rifles and shotguns in gun racks in OPEN view and the local SWAT team didn't make a felony stop on those vehicles !!

Way back in 1986, I purchased my H&K Imported M1 S90 in "Defense Configuration". That means all black with rubber pistol grip, 7 + 1 magazine, basic rifle sights and 20 inch barrel with true cylinder choke (no choke). A few months later myself and serveral other Federal Police Officers attended the county police academy. The academy consisted of a few officers from each town in the county. On shotgun training day, I brought my Benelli as my department only issued revolvers and M16A1 rifles at the time. The entire afternoon was devoted to buckshot and rifle slug training. Most of the guys from other departments shared stock Remington riot pumps and I saw at least one Winchester riot gun. Half way into the afternoon, some of the Remington's and the Winchester had stopped working plus most of the guys were feeling the strain of shooting buckshot. If I remember correctly, I heard some foul muttering of naughty words. Myself and my Benelli were just blasting away with the buckshot and my target with the slugs looked like I was shooting a rifle. When I wasn't actually shooting, I loaned my Benelli to other officers from various towns. During a rest break the range official came over to look at my Benelli also. By the end of the day, my Benelli had been used almost continuosly without a single burp and quite a few officers were awarded shotgun certificates, using my Benelli, long after their issue Remingtons had long stopped working. Think my Benelli made a great impression that day and I got a lot of handshakes from the officers that borrowed it. After all these years, those town departments still buy Remington pumps and use there old stock of Remingtons. Why? Because that's what their Chief trained on. The county special reaction team has Benelli's !

Okay, I can't let this post go past me without comment. First, you did a totally awesome job. The finished product is beyond cool and is a "one of a kind" that will bring you smiles for a long time. However, you took a beautiful Monty with graceful wood and steel and turned it into a Dr. Jeckel and Hyde. My eyes are tearing up

Years ago when most all officers carried .38 specials, one of my more sad jobs was to kill dear that had been struck by cars and were still alive but mangled severely. I used full metal jacket .38 ammunition at point blank range through the heart. The rounds always passed complelely through the animal into the dirt. And before anybody asks, this was done after the drivers and families involved had long left. For home defense I use a .45 automatic with FMJ ammunition. Yes, I have interviewed people that were shot with a 9mm and have yet to see a dead person from a 9mm. I have only interviewed one person shot with a .45. He was a soilder caught stealing a jeep and the round passed through a thin steel plate, two canvas seats, then completlely through his chest (hit soft tissue only), through a windshield and lodged in a headstone at a nearby cemetery.

I have the H+K imported M1 Super 90 in Defense Configuration. Purchased in 1986. It's all black with pistol grip and plain rifle sites. No choke tubes as it's bored cylinder. It holds 7+1 of 2+3/4 inch and will fire 3" shells. Cost $558 brand new in 1986. A similuar one in like new condition should be worth the $900 asking price on todays market. Here in Taxachusetts, I could ask almost any price and it would be sold before I even handed it over to my local gun store. Pre-ban ( now called assault weapons ) with the proper paper work is the only way to buy these now. If Massachusetts ever drops their weapons restrictions, then my M1 Super 90 would drop in price to about $600 (it's well shot and works perfect). But that's going to happen, so the sky is the limit and if I was selling (I'm not) the price starts at $3500 and with the added normal stock, 28" vent barrel with 4 chokes and shell limiter, add another $2000.

They WILL NOT take down an angry Chipmunk. I've tried

I was comparing the manufactured internal parts with parts from my two Browning shotguns and Browning pump Trombone .22 and of course my two Benelli shotguns. *****s verses oranges.... my bad.

If you go to their web site, you can download a short film showing a professional shooter setting speed records with the SX3. The SX3 has an automatic gas-regulating system that lets it shoot very fast and helps with the perceived recoil feeling soft. It also has a number of performance features you can read about but remember it's still a Winchester, so when you take it apart you will see modern and cheap manufacturing procedures.

First I would recommend some sort of light weight shooting vest with a padded shooting shoulder. The shotgun I recommend is the Benelli Super 90 Montefeltro Short Stock in 20 guage. The length of pull is 12+1/2 inches and should be just about perfect for a 5'2" shooter. The short stock Monty weighs about 5+1/4 pounds empty with a 24" barrel and 5 chokes. I have used my Monty to help many young boys and girls learn shotgun skills. You can shoot cheap Wally-World shells all day without getting sore and once your wife gets the hang of basic shooting, she can move up to heavy 2+3/4 DR. EQ. shells for longer sporting clay hits. Between the replaceable shims and chokes, she'll be able to find just the right "feel" to out shoot you in no time. The little short stock Monty will also fire 3" shells if necessary but I find them a bit hard on my shoulder. I shoot cheap 7/8 oz., 2+1/2 DR. EQ. # 7+1/2 shot when on skeet and Quail and 1 oz., 2+3/4 DR. EQ. # 7+1/2 shot on Grouse and Pheasent. The 20 guage works great on sporting clays and with it light weight, she will be on target sooner. Lot's of luck and don't forget the shooting vest!