SgtCathy

Hey Unobtanium... I'm a fatty and 7" penetration of #4 buckshot would definately ruin my entire day/month/year/life.... 00 Buckshot and foster slugs passing through me would make a horrible mess on my white walls behind me, and I'M not cleaning it up ! Here are your best choices: 1) First round in your trusty olde M4 should be a Dragon Breath. Talk about "light up my life"! That will get your adversaries attention and burn away any winter clothing, ski mask or flesh, they may be utilizing. 2) Next two rounds should be Flechetts, to let your house breaker know he has ruined your day with his silly B&E antics and you truly want to ruin his day. 3) With the smoldering , schedded intruder standing in front of you totally in shock, the next 3 rounds out of your M4 smoke pole, should be #7.5 birdshot, then #8, quickly followed by a #9, so that no doctor ever born, including the infamous Dr. House will have a chance in haiddies of removing any of the pellets and forever ruining the attacker's chance of passing threw a TSA airport screening. 4) And the last piece of punishment from your M4 portable death machine, should be an ounce of powered lead fired into the often over rated man part of his body, just in case he is wearing a chastidy belt and you want to pop it open. There you have it. The proper ammunition in the proper order Caution: The use of Dragon's Breath in a hall way with many curtains, draperies and other easily flammable items, may cause charring !!

On holidays like Memorial/Veterans day, I go to the range and shoot, shoot, shoot. It's how I honor all the veterans and great Americans. I try to get the children of my friends (they are all in their twenties) to come out and shoot with me, but they are to consumed with reaching the next level of whatever game they're playing. They have part-time jobs and play 24-36 hours straight on games. Try to get them out of the house on the 4th of July for a parade or barbecue. It "ain't" going to happen. Geez.....

Geez.... Just unload it in the true USMC fashion. Aim...pull the trigger 8 times. (Pull trigger 5 times for you folks that live in California and New Jersey. For people in Massachusetts, just dream on)

Tucker was just saying what most of you guys were thinking. I have a feeling Dirtyb762 will pick up another M4 soon enough and the memory of his last M4 and wife, will fade rapidly. Isn't this where M1014 jumps in with a picture of his "Safe Queens" to motivate Dirtyb to get a new M4 ? Let's toss politcal correctness out the window for a second. How many men on this sight wouldn't mine dating an "ex-wife" that just happens to own an M4??

Don't know your wife, but I'm liking her attitude. You go girl !!!

It's sooooo purdee.....

When loading, make sure the bolt is closed (let it slam home). That should make loading a little easier.

My Monty is a youth model in 20 guage which comes with a LOP of 12+1/2 inches. A tad short for me but I try to make up the difference with a coat or sweater. Should of gotten the regular stock and had it cut to 13" LOP. My other Bennelli is the early H&K M1 S90 in Defense/Police configuration with a LOP of 14+1/4 inches. The synthetic stock makes changing the LOP to 13 inches quite a chore so it's stayed longer. All my other shotguns which include many Remingtons and Brownings are all cut to 13" LOP. My two favorites are the little 20 guage Monty and my Special Field Browning O/U in 20 gauge. The light weight of the 20 guage Monty makes it perfect for long afternoon walks in the Quail fields and Grouse woods loaded with cheapy Wally-World promo shells.

Whatever you buy, make sure it comes with a wooden buttstock. That way you can have her professional fitted for LOP (length of pull). This one adjustment by a gunsmith (usually about $70) will make all the difference between her being a constant shooter or owning a wall hanger. I'm also 5'5" tall and my LOP is 13" exactly. Before my shotguns were modified, I normally shot 10-12 skeets per round. Afterwards, 22+ per round (skeet). If your wife enjoys shooting clays and is actually hitting targets, she may not even notice the family has grown by one M4. My choice for her would be either a 12 or 20 guage Benelli Montefeltro.

Are we still talking about a new M4

Remember that song by the Village People, Macho Man? There seems to be one in every crowd. 1200 rounds a day on an Argentina pigeon shoot for 3 days, no problem-mo. A few years ago they used to feature the Argentino hunts on the Outdoor channel. They would have guys just to carry around extra shotguns and more guys to reload the shotguns for you. When I go bird hunting, if I fire 15-20 rounds in a day, I mark the date on my calender as a special occasion to remermber. I can't imagine firing 1200 rounds in one day. By the time I got to 600 count, my fingers would be ripped up by sloppy loading. My shoulder bruised from sloppy shoulder placement and my face and jaw bruised from sloppy gun handling. I suppose if you're going to participate in a big Argentina shoot, you would practise in advance and toughen yourself up. For me, an exciting part of those shows would be after the shoot each night, they would show the armorers cleaning the shotguns. The shear volume of gunk coming out of each shotgun was amazing. Then they would drag over a box of Remington and Winchester spare parts and start fixing the guns the broke that day.

Charlton, I like how you think, but with no deisel for your Abrams tank, it's more of a coffin than fighting system. Of Course you would be able to take out many Zombies before you die of thirst and starvation inside your metal house.

Hi XOMOEL !! I picked a pump .22 figuring semi-auto's tend to be finicky and supplies like gun oil might be short on hand, plus all my pump .22's are take down models and my Browning Trombone is very small and light. A very small bolt action .22 might also work fine. My thinking of course is that whatever I'm carrying, is all I own.

I'm still thinking a pump .22 rifle. Ammo is available every where. Once you get outside of the city, chances are most households have a few loose rounds in a junk drawer. An entire brick (500 rounds) weighs just a few pounds. The .22 can kill small game up to and including deer and drop any Zombie you may come across. Yes, I know a pump .22 isn't as cool as some of the weapons systems mentioned on this forum and you won't be dropping Antelope at 600 yards. And if you run into a large horde of Zombies, you're days are numbered unless you have a functioning mini-gun. After about a year of no electricity, food or any type of government, I figure your two most pressing concerns will be food and keeping a low profile. Crowds of folks will be hunting down people with uba weapons systems for their own, or group, protection and hopefully will leave me with my little .22 alone. The bottom line is to have some thing. Most of my friends will simply be following behind whoever happpens to have one of those uba weapons sytems, hoping for any tidbit.

I live in Taxachusetts and some time in the far future will sell my H&K M1 S90 in Defense/Police Configuration (it's official title). Sort of like a retiremnet plan to help buy my next car. My H&K Benelli is from 1986, with all black synth stock with pistol grip and 18+1/2 inch barrel with rifle sights (7+1+1). The spare hunting stock is synth black also with a 28 " vent barrel with 3 chokes plus a 2 shot limiting rod for the long magazine tube. It's grandfathered and I have all the documents. I wonder how much I get get for this in 20 years. I'll start the bidding at $5,000 dollars. Of course with my usual luck, all firearms will be banned in 20 years times. You have to love our state Attorney General. According to her, everything from flat tires to nasty pancakes can be traced back to evil firearms.

Way back in 1986, I took part in a Police Academy, Police Shotgun qualification class. I was using a H&K imported M1 S90 by Benelli in Defense/Police Configuration. That means pistol grip, all black, plain rifle sights and 7+1+1 capacity. Nobody on the line, including the instructors had ever heard of Benelli before and after a few minutes trying to explain the inertia system, I gave up. All the other shotguns were Remy and a few Winchester pumps. Not sure how many practise rounds we fired but by the time "qualifications" were due, I was starting to get a very sore right hand. Also by then about 6 of the pump shotguns had broken down and other officers, from various towns, were borrowing shotguns from each other. Then came qualifications. I was hanging onto that rubber pistol grip like my life depended on it. We shot 00 buckshot first, both standing and then advancing on the man sized targets with serveral reloads. My target had all the holes in the main body. Next came rifled slugs. 10 rounds in a fire/reload/fire exercise at one given distance. My head and jaw were still buzzing a little from all the 00 buckshot rounds. The range went hot and the whistle blew. I loaded, aimed and fired. We went 4 rounds, 4 rounds then 2 rounds. On the last 2 rounds my eyes were starting to water but I was still gripping that pistol grip tightly. I finished with all ten slugs into the inner circle on the target. For a woman not used to firing full load 12 guage shells, about 50 in under one hour, this was brutal. I don't think I could have finished the course if I had a field stock to grip. During the afternoon shoot, I loaned my Benelli to many other recruits as so many of the pumps had broken down. Everybody loved the pistol grip. Only one other shotgun with a pistol grip (and folding stock) was avilable. The rest were standard short barrel pumps, many with hard plastic butt plates. At the end of the day, their were a lot of sore police cadets. In case anybody is interested, my Benelli didn't have one single burp of any kind that entire day or at any time over the next many years. Oh Ya, my vote goes to the pistol grip design for combat/police work. My guess is that at a civilian shotgun course, you will be firing a lot more 12 guage shells that I did. Use a pistol grip and if allowed a shooting glove (finger tips cut away). Have fun.

After seeing those patterns, all I can say is "get that oven warmed up".

Good news everybody! The doctor says I can remove the eye patches next week and the damage to my cornea's should be minimal. And the best part was after I explained every thing to BC/BS and they viewed the pictures from this thread, my insurance is paying for all the medical bills...yippee...

Just received a phone call from a dear friend that tells me the "Beehive" rounds were #4 buckshot fired from the Thumpers. That's M79 grenade launcher for you younger guys. Not sure what type of fragmentation rounds the 40mm BOFORS used.

Trying hard to remember all the details. Back in day day (1969) a friend in 'nam used to ride a tank with an open turrent. Belive it was a light M42 Chaffee tank. It had twin Bofor 40mm Pom-Pom guns with a rate of fire around 240 rounds per minute. They were called "Dusters". Supposed to be anti-aircraft but worked extremely well against any land enemy position. Although they fired HE rounds, my friend was fond of the so called "beehive" rounds. If you saw enemy fire or smoke from a mortor, you just spun the turrent around and "scraped" the ground clear of whatever was there with the beehive rounds. Not sure if the beehive rounds were rounds balls or fleschettes. My friend earned a Bronze Star during an extremely fierce battle where the Dusters "rocked" and saved the day. Sadly, during his second tour, he was killed. But he died doing what he loved most. Being in the turrent of that Duster working those Bofors.

A few years ago, I got this sudden urge to hunt Quail with the 20 guage Remy 11-87. The night before I stripped it down quickly and oiled every thing including the inside of the tubular magazine. Naturally, the retainer went flying, because I was rushing things. After a short search, I pulled the retainer out of my 20 guage Browning A-5, and used that in my Remy. Worked perfectly. I ordered a couple of replacements from Remington and 2 weeks later they arrived. A week after that, I found the original part (you knew that was going to happen). Just an idea.

Pistol: Any 9mm Rifle: Any 7.62x39 Shotgun: Any 12 guage A year down the road (provided you're still alive) ammunition will be difficult if not impossible to find. The three calibers I have mentioned above can be found anywhere on our planet and represents your best chance to still be "shooting". There's a reason why on SciFi shows about the future, most folks are carrying large knives. Also, if you had a base of operations, I would stash a .22 rifle. In the poorest countries and way out in the boonies far from civilization, people still shoot .22's. From the far corners of Russia to a hamlet in Borneo somebody has a 12 guage. Don't think tomorrow, think 2 years down the road. Yea I know, it's 15 years after the end of the world, but somehow, the Internet has survived and people will still be blogging about where to buy extended magazines and laser sights for their M4's... Hey Joe, I've got a .338 that will drop a deer ay 600 yards easy. Has anybody seen any .338 ammo lately? Has anybody seen any deer lately? I haven't had a shower in 14 years!

Okay... I was under the impression that revolvers that utilize half moon or full moon (such as a model 1917 .45) uses "clips". Or are they half moon "speed loaders"? I've also heard many old timers refer to the M1 Garand "N" block magazine as a "clip". Their is also a older bolt action military rifle that you insert the entire stripper clip into the weapon and as you fire and work the bolt, the stripper clip comes out the bottom. Is that a magazine or clip?

If I get advance warning of an impending Zombie attack, or if me fence needs blasting, I'll use an older H&K imported Benelli Super 90 M1 in defense configuration with NO attachments (to get in the way). Lots of 00 Buck with a few foster slugs available. In a rush situation, I have a S&W 1911, full size .45 automatic loaded with Hornady 185 gr FTX, ready to go. But then, I'm just a little old granny, so I don't have all the fire power on standby some of the guys on this forum have.

What is "co snow goose season"? What country are you from? Any time I see someone asking about a magazine extension for bird hunting, I'm thinking they really want to put together a HD (home defense) gun. Of course, pigeon shooting in Argentia would be an exception !!