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Explain "knockdown power"?

The difference is minor with modern ammo, however, the Glock platform excells with the 9mm.

G17, played with a G32 and liked that, too. G17 went back to my Dad when my P226/357 arrived, though (just borrowing the 17, but liked it much). I plan on buying a G19 for CCW in the next month or so. Never had a problem out of any of the Glocks I shot.

Try that with a 1911 and your dog would be in the cold right now.

Tinker...that is what the 1911 is, imho. A Tinkerer's gun, and for that, it has no equal. However, as a serious weapon, it has outlived the time during which it was the best thing going.

I'm serious. I have owned over $6000 worth of 1911's and they all sucked. I would rather have a Glock. At least it goes bang 100% of the time, and I can hit the target JUST FINE with it. Ragged fist-size holes at 15 yards after a mag downrange once I get warmed up.

The only other options I have seen are speed-loaders (impractical) and "Shell Caddy's" (Not what you are describing regarding capacity requirement). Short of buying some 5.11 pants and stuffing your pockets, there are no other options I am aware of besides that rediculously heavy 18 round magazine or whatever that can be fitted to the Benelli.

Update: I spoke with the owner of TAC2, which is ALSO CMM (I did not know). He apologized for the ad./product discrepancy and is swapping parts with me. VERY nice guy, and is cross-shipping. He still has the original advertised design. However, I have found the ultimate bolt-release button solution, and I will provide pix once it's installed. Then you all can yay-nay it.

Cancel 1911 order. Buy stuff that works.

Good call. This is about as low as I have seen this item.

The Bolt-Handle is a "gonna happen". The C-stock is a "Well...if I get bored...if...if..." type thing. There is no real demand for it at the price-point it would come in at and the trouble it would be to create.

CC has the stocks WAAYYYY on the back-burner and with the Mesa Urbino hitting the market in less than a month, I highly doubt Kip will persue the stock. It was going to cost nearly what the Benelli does blackmarket anyway. The Benelli OEM remains the only viable collapsible stock on the market for 1 year MINIMUM imho. Beyond 1 year, who knows. We might have more to worry about than a manufacturer for a CS.

Yeah, they are experimenting with a cheek-piece. But guess what you need to mount that cheek-piece on.

LE-127-00 fit in mine just fine. 49 coil spring/Brownell's follower.

Free $57 part? Go get it Bighat! Don't need it? Sell it for $50 and someone on this board will buy it almost instantly.

Since when is Mesa going to have a collapsible stock for the M4S90 "soon"? The Urbino (NON-collapsible) is coming out sometime in July, months behind schedule, and the collapsible version is a "Well lets wait and see..." proposition still. I know you get all wet thinking about a US made collapsible, but the truth is that the Benelli design is about as good as it gets and an aftermarket one wouldn't cost much less than the Benelli does on the black-market, as it were. Noone is in a rush to make one.

Just go to wal-mart and buy it, but it doesn't hold up very well at all.

I shot a bird with my M4 once. Dropped it like a rock. Little thing flitting across my field of vision by the treeline about 25-30 yards away. M4 points well. I would like to try trap with it though.

Thankyou for your service all who honorably served!

Problem is that Bighat has behaved like a petulant 3-year-old on so many occasions, made personal insults, etc. and so even when he says something worthwhile it's going to be taken as more of the same. Bighat isn't big enough to apologize for being a raging douche-bag in his other interactions with Kip, and until he does, I don't think anyone who knows the whole story will view him as anything but. Maybe he will prove me wrong? Doubtful, but hey, who knows?

The rails are all done and just waiting on being anodized. Kip is waiting for samples to return from the ano. shop.

I am the opposite. A 2-piece part where a 1-piece part could accomplish the same thing is just another problem waiting to happen. A mild-steel tube that can be much more easily dented than a titanium alloy tube could be used at the same/less cost, is also a poor decision. For that matter, I bought an OEM Benelli 7-shot steel tube for $100 a while back. It functioned and matched the finish just fine, but it was not as well made as the Ti tube I now have from Kip, nor was it nearly as dent/corrosion resistant. We are now hearing stories about 4140 tubes made by Socomguy that are having some rust issues at the reciever. I am sure the OEM Benelli mild steel tube is not any better. I would go Ti alloy, 1 piece.

Lets take a look at "Kip", shall we? He emerged on this forum a few years ago. I rememer it vividly. I called him out on his outlandish claims of titanium this and that. Over time, he proved capable of producing parts from "exotic" materials that were held to aerospace tolerances. But what did it do for him? What has Kip gained? He has sold some tubes on gunbroker, sure. He is going to be selling rails--less than 100 in this batch if I understand. He is going to be selling bolt-handles--a few, not a ton. His Ti tubes aren't priced at much over cost, and they do take time. FFT makes a comparable product (from what I read) but it is about $70 more. I highly doubt they are making $100 a tube, and that means Kip is making less than $20-40 a tube, assuming they make @ $100 a tube. While he has been on this forum, Kip has talked long about the equipment he has and uses and buys. He bought a special machine to allow him to digitally control the temperature that he is heat-treating the A2 tangs for these bolts at. Less than 100 bolts as I understand, and yet he bought a multi-thousand dollar piece of equipment just for it? Wake up. Get a clue. If Kip has this kind of money to burn on "little projects", he sure as **** wouldn't have had it for long. When Kip got here, he alluded to government contracts, etc. I figured "BS, he makes a door-stop or a rubber grommet that keeps the latrine lid from slamming too loud and sold the patent." Well now I am not so sure. Kip has produced a very small volume of parts, at VERY modest prices, at VERY VERY high quality. Could it be that you all have it backward and this is Kip's pass-time/a favor to us (I mean, he makes darn near anything we ask him to if enough of us ask him. Regardless of thought to profit. ****, Duggan and I complained loudly enough that he has spent tonnes of time/money on pic rails). No, I highly doubt Kip is dedicated to only producing niche market parts for a niche market shotgun that is requested by niche forum members. While I don't have any confirmation of this, I am willing to bet that Kip is busy making things for people who go to bad places and endure bad things and we are just getting his spare time. That is why he charges so little, only accepts payment right before shipping, and basically gives us anything we want with regard to the products he produces. This aspect of his business is a labor of love, so to speak. We have a guy who is dedicating time and resources that he doesn't have to to something we enjoy. Lets STFU, thank him, and pay our money and wait our turn. The boys across the pond need his stuff more than the boys in the back yard. You of all people should agree with that, given your glowing service-record and all that time you spent out there with Charlie, right Bighat? Again, I don't have any confirmation of this, but if you put 2 and 2 togather, it sure makes a helluva lot more sense than Kip making his sole income off of less than probably 500 items produced and sold at near-cost and buying multi-thousand dollar equipment to make a few dozen more, given his military connections and how many people in the industry he knows. Wake up and do the math. Just my .02

I had a 5'7 roommate that did that and claimed 5'9-ish.

Very informative post! To make light of a bad situation, I think it's common enough to round up to the nearest half-inch