Jackalope Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 As the title states, I want to do some ammo testing for 12ga HD loads. I know when everyone thinks HD they think 00 buck, but if you live in an apartment or somewhere with thin walls, thats a no-go. I want you guys to chime in and let me know what YOU want to see tested, and i'll try and get some and make a video or pictorial of the different loads and their penetration/spread at HD distances. I've also come into possession of a few (7) clothing mannequins that i'll probably destroy just for fun. Sooo, let me know what you guys want to see tested. I've got some drywall and some ballistic gelatin and nothing but time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofton Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Switch to #1 buck! Dr. Fackler who was head of the Wound Ballistics Laboratory for the US Army’s Medical Training Center and considered one of the leaders in terminal ballistic has published papers about 12" penetration. Great article on ammo for shotgun. Cut & pasted from the article: Bird shot is not an acceptable self-defense shotshell round. To believe that it is could get you killed, and that has been the sad outcome in too many incidents. # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma. In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body." http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm Edited September 21, 2012 by crofton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA1 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Sooo, let me know what you guys want to see tested. I've got some drywall and some ballistic gelatin and nothing but time. I'd be willing to contribute some rounds to the cause for comparative purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think this has the potential to be a pretty cool thread. I reload for 12 and 20 gauge and it might be cool to work up some testing loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeper Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I've got a half case of the discontinued Baschieri & Pellagri "Baby Magnum" Shells. 2.75", 1.5 oz. of #'0' Italian shot (.154") at 1300 fps. Love to see what they do to gelatin. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Those of you that want to contribute to the testing, shoot me a PM and i'll get my address to you. KB, that would be pretty sweet to see what you come up with. So far i've got requests to test #4 Buck, #1 Buck, Creeper's Baby Magnums, and whatever KB comes up with. I'll close the thread for requests once I stop getting comments on it, or a few weeks from now, whatever comes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhoi_fan Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would suggest getting large pieces of cardboard for target material as I've found that using large pieces of cardboard are the best way to check patterns of different loads as various distances. I get my large pieces of cardboard from Lowe's - I ask them to save the cardboard boxes (broken down) from the large appliances they sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I don't know if anyone has done much with the Winchester PDX1 12 but I'd love to see how it performs at different distances http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-12.aspx Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I don't know if anyone has done much with the Winchester PDX1 12 but I'd love to see how it performs at different distances http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-12.aspx Hookster I just happen to have a good stock of that. I could do some pattering from the M4 with it. What distances would you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I just happen to have a good stock of that. I could do some pattering from the M4 with it. What distances would you like? Thanks KB!! That suff is pricey!! Haven't seen it less than $1 per rd. I've been meaning to pick some up for awhile but been spending the play money on other stuff....I'd love to see where the shot is in relation to the slug at a few distances inside of 50 yds Later, H:):)kster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 I've got some of that too. If KB can't get to it, i'll get it done for you on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 (edited) This is PDX 12 from 20 yards with my Super Nova Tactical. I think this round would be devastating at that range (and closer) but those pellets concern me at longer distances. I'll see what I can do at a neighbors range with my M4. Edited September 22, 2012 by KB Fab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I've got some of that too. If KB can't get to it, i'll get it done for you on Tuesday. Thank You Both!!!!!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 This is PDX 12 from 20 yards with my Super Nova Tactical. I think this round would be devastating at that range but those pellets concern me at longer distances. I'll see what I can do at a neighbors range with my M4. Yeah...Looking at that initially, it doesn't look like the pellets would be doing much for you at distances much farther than that but agreed that inside of that it would be devastating......OUCH!!!! Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I live in an apartment. I run buckshot. It penetrates brick VERY poorly. Also very poor on most any other "hard" surface. Either way, birdshot has no place in HD in my book, so I run buckshot. Run some tests of 00 on brick and pine 2x4's and you will be surprised at how "poorly" it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 I live in an apartment. I run buckshot. It penetrates brick VERY poorly. Also very poor on most any other "hard" surface. Either way, birdshot has no place in HD in my book, so I run buckshot. Run some tests of 00 on brick and pine 2x4's and you will be surprised at how "poorly" it does. Alrighty, looks like i'm gonna bring some brick and pine out too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Hey, everyone, new guy here. Or an old guy with a new ID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Or an old guy with a new ID. T'will be interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 T'will be interesting to see. Please god, no.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdhh Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 [h=1]12 GAUGE 2 3/4" #4 SHOT GEL TEST[/h] [h=1]12 Gauge - Winchester PDX-1 - Shotgun Ammo Test[/h] [h=1]Winchester PDX1 12 Gauge spread test[/h] [h=1]Winchester PDX1 12 Defender (12 gauge) Gel Ammo Test[/h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg44jDOL8jo&playnext=1&list=PL862728F8A32733EC&feature=results_video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdhh Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Found another,,,, [h=1]Home Defense: Interior wall penetration test with 12 gauge shotgun[/h] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeper Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 If you're shipping ammo to Jack... you may want to take a look at this link. As the post states: "You can continue to use the old ORM-D "Cartridges, Small Arms" labels until December 31, 2013 if you wish." Cheers, C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Had a guy I was trading with give me a couple rounds of 12ga Incendiary, Tracer and Airburst. These will be fun to use on those mannequins lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 Would it be a good idea to place a couple layers of denim over the ballistic gel? That would give a better idea of what kind of penetration to expect through clothing. Just a thought.. Yeah I can do that. Not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Monkey Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Switch to #1 buck! Dr. Fackler who was head of the Wound Ballistics Laboratory for the US Army’s Medical Training Center and considered one of the leaders in terminal ballistic has published papers about 12" penetration. Great article on ammo for shotgun. Cut & pasted from the article: Bird shot is not an acceptable self-defense shotshell round. To believe that it is could get you killed, and that has been the sad outcome in too many incidents. # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma. In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body." http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm Thank You! Now if only we could get the World to read this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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