southsti Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Southsti, I ordered One some time ago. I did get it. If I remember correctly it took a few days to get it to me. Also, (I did not go throught the thread) is there a phone number for Cleefurd posted on this thread? Ok cool, still have yet to hear from him, hopefully everything is okay with Cleefurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flya727 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I am waiting for my flt, and plan to use my stock spring. I will report back on what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsti Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Southsti, I ordered One some time ago. I did get it. If I remember correctly it took a few days to get it to me. Also, (I did not go throught the thread) is there a phone number for Cleefurd posted on this thread? Order is shipped - Kip sent me an email Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I spoke with Kip on the 13th. He is alive and well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodence Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Anybody know what type of shipping Kip uses? I spoke with him 12 days ago(he called me), and was under the impression it was shipping within 2 calendar days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Anybody know what type of shipping Kip uses? I spoke with him 12 days ago(he called me), and was under the impression it was shipping within 2 calendar days. USPS Priority last time I checked. Call him. Ask. He is very busy and sometimes takes a while to check the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsti Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 USPS Priority last time I checked. Call him. Ask. He is very busy and sometimes takes a while to check the forum. Correct he sent me an email and said it shipped via USPS Priority Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Gun Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Hi guys, I'm gonna refresh this thread: I got the Benelli M4 S90 shotgun with collapsible stock and OEM full length 7 round magazine tube. I have figured out that I can feed only 6 rounds (2 -3/4 slugs) into the mag tube. Round no.7 sticks out approx. 3/4 of an inch. How can I fix this problem? Buying the aftermarket shorter spring or ...? Thanks. Edited June 17, 2013 by Tom-Gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler&kochp2000 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Hi guys, I'm gonna refresh this thread: I got the Benelli M4 S90 shotgun with collapsible stock and OEM full length 7 round magazine tube. I have figured out that I can feed only 6 rounds (2 -3/4 slugs) into the mag tube. Round no.7 sticks out approx. 3/4 of an inch. How can I fix this problem? Buying the aftermarket shorter spring or ...? Thanks. 10-07-2007, 06:02 AM #3 DOOKEY FACE Senior Member Join Date Mar 2007 Location Florida Posts 141 Did you guys take out the seal ring from the end of the old tube and replace it in your new tube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Did you guys take out the seal ring from the end of the old tube and replace it in your new tube? I am having the same issues as the guy in post #33 I got a New M4 LE with 7 round mag tube OEM. I could only fit 6 2 3/4" shells. I got a Carriercomp Ti mag tube and a supposedly Carriercomp spring off Gunbroker. Can only fit 6 in there as well. My shells only have about 1/4" sticking out that won't go in. There is some question about the spring, they guy couldn't find it at first but then found it. He said it was the spring that came with it, but I'm not sure what that means. Maybe it was second hand to him, even though he said it was new and un-used from a build project. I can answer the same thing. It is the spring I got with it. Anyhow, what is the fix for this? I've tried two different shells, that were really the same OAL, and it would only hold 6 in the stock tube and 6 in the carriercomp tube. Ohhh, and I did move that seal ring to the new tube, not sure how you could miss doing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) It is important to understand that 2-3/4" and 3" shotgun chamber designations means the gun has a chamber length and an ejection port that is designed to handle shotshells of these lengths of the FIRED shotshell, i.e. the full length of the shotshell when its folded ends of the shotshell have opened up inside the chamber upon firing. The unfired 2-3/4" shells are quite varied in their unfired lengths, many by more than 0.1"....when this multiplied by 5-7 cartridges there is then a variance of 0.7" or more....this inter-shotshell variance in turn will only allow 6 of 7 Brand X shotshell to load in a magazine, whereas the shorter unfired Brand Y will load 7 of 7 in the magazine. The manufacturer of the magazine tube obviously used a a certain size shotshell in combination with a certain magazine spring when defining their magazine tube lengths / capacity ratings. That 1/4" (0.25") your last shell is not going in ......is almost 3 times (0.7") the common total variance among shells. Try shotshells of shorter OAL. SO, unless your favorite shotshell length is the brand only loading 6 of 7 into the magazine, don't cut your magazine spring. Edited January 6, 2016 by benelliwerkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thought I replied to this last night. Must not have sent. Another thing you can try is to seat the spring retainer so that it is sticking out of the magazine tube. That way when you tighten the magazine cap, it will push the spring retainer in as deep as necessary. As an experiment, try removing your spring retainer completely and just fight the spring in under the magazine cap. Then test to see if your shells fit. As Benelliwerkes outlined, just because a round says it is 2 3/4, doesn't really mean they are. Tollerance stacking can lead to an issue where you come up a fraction of an inch short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 It is important to understand that 2-3/4" and 3" shotgun chamber designations means the gun has a chamber length and an ejection port that is designed to handle shotshells of these lengths of the FIRED shotshell, i.e. the full length of the shotshell when its folded ends of the shotshell have opened up inside the chamber upon firing. The unfired 2-3/4" shells are quite varied in their unfired lengths, many by more than 0.1"....when this multiplied by 5-7 cartridges there is then a variance of 0.7" or more....this inter-shotshell variance in turn will only allow 6 of 7 Brand X shotshell to load in a magazine, whereas the shorter unfired Brand Y will load 7 of 7 in the magazine. The manufacturer of the magazine tube obviously used a a certain size shotshell in combination with a certain magazine spring when defining their magazine tube lengths / capacity ratings. That 1/4" (0.25") your last shell is not going in ......is almost 3 times (0.7") the common total variance among shells. Try shotshells of shorter OAL. SO, unless your favorite shotshell length is the brand only loading 6 of 7 into the magazine, don't cut your magazine spring. Is there a way to determine if my spring is indeed one of the Carriercomp springs? A way to ID it? Thought I replied to this last night. Must not have sent. Another thing you can try is to seat the spring retainer so that it is sticking out of the magazine tube. That way when you tighten the magazine cap, it will push the spring retainer in as deep as necessary. As an experiment, try removing your spring retainer completely and just fight the spring in under the magazine cap. Then test to see if your shells fit. As Benelliwerkes outlined, just because a round says it is 2 3/4, doesn't really mean they are. Tollerance stacking can lead to an issue where you come up a fraction of an inch short. I'll give these two options a shot as well. I don't need much, it may be as little as 1/8". Maybe between 1/8 and 1/4. It would be nice if I could ID the spring that I got with the Carriercomp tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler&kochp2000 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Plenty of customers have bought the original Benelli M4 full magazine tube and 99.9% have no issues with the original spring and when the 0.1% does it gets resolved with a lil trial and error. No other spring is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Plenty of customers have bought the original Benelli M4 full magazine tube and 99.9% have no issues with the original spring and when the 0.1% does it gets resolved with a lil trial and error. No other spring is needed. Here is what I have: I have a M4LE that came with the 2 Piece 7 round tube setup and spring and I have a Carriercomp tube and a "Spring" that is longer than the OEM spring that came on the gun. I don't know if the spring I got with the CC tube is a CC spring or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Unobtanium did a good write up at another site here: http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=361581 He has a couple pictures showing different springs and gives the diameter spec of the spring itself. He indicated that the Carriercomp spring should be 33" when new. The diameter of the spring wire should be 0.041" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I'll pull mine out and measure it. I didn't measure it before I put it in last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 While you're at it, try installing the spring without the spring retainer and see if it gives you enough room for the seventh round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Ok, my spring after being installed a week is 30.5" The wire diameter was .042 I did let the snap ring lay pretty far outside the tube when I put it back together and it will just load 7 now. So I'll call a success on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Good deal! Common issue is to seat the spring retainer too deep. You want that retainer touching the bottom of your mag cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thanx you guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Well, I think I still have some issues. I noticed after adjusting that ring seal that I was just getting in the 7th round. Tried some 00 Olin Buck tonight and it won't go. So I guss I may snip off some coils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Be careful cutting the spring. Every coil you clip compromises the overall tension of the spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Be careful cutting the spring. Every coil you clip compromises the overall tension of the spring. Indeed, hate to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 This might be a newb question but: Are magazines tube springs fairly universal? I understand that they need to be different lengths and they have varying tension, but could someone swap a mag tube spring from a Remington 870 or 1100 into a Mossberg 500 or 930 or a Benelli Nova or M4, provided all of the guns had the same length magazine tube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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