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If you have the means to try the SBEII without having to buy one then that would certainly be the way to go. I would also consider adding a recoil reducer to the Monte before giving up on it. I use a C&H reducer that replaces the mag. cap and it worls great on my SBEII in the warmer seasons when I don't have so much clothing on. http://www.mercuryrecoil.com/suppressors/index.htm#top

Bolt and other mechanism movement in an Inertia-operated gun do nothing to lessen the forces of recoil delivered to the shooter's shoulder. These movements are powered by the after effects of recoil, not by the energy of the recoil before it reaches the shoulder. For all puposes of argument, the recoil energy of an Inertia gun will be equal to the recoil energy of a pump or fixed breech gun of equal weight. Since the parts and pieces of the pump gun add weight, they tend to be a tad heavier and thus they kick a tad less. I will agree that that if the gun is smacking you in the cheek, there is a problem with fit, form, or both.

Also mentions new Benelli TV Show, "Benelli On Assignment". It will be on the Versus Network, whatever the **** that is.

The dog is trained to scour the woods for a flock of turkeys. Once found, the dog flushes the birds and scatters the flock. The hunter then sets up and places the dog in some sort of camo cover. The dog is trained to be still and quiet while the hunter calls the birds back together and shoots one. It's a time-honored tradition in the hills of the East.

I thought you'd like that . The company is Turkish, so perhaps Beretta holdings will buy them up and start making some for us.

Take lots of pictures and post them as the project progresses!

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/SPR_models/SPR453_autoloader.asp

I've never laid hands on one, but I've heard great praise of them on other boards. I'd step on a Stoeger to get one.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=98

I chose the matte black for similar reasons and a few others. Firstly, camo is more for the benefit of the human consumer than it is for the concealment from the quarry. Secondly, camo does not last forever. I've seen some two year old camo that looked pretty bad, and others that have held up well, but they're all gonna get their nicks and scrapes if you use them enough. Wasn't Beretta doing an advanced finish in black that resists harsh conditions, etc.? When my black SBEII gets too ugly, I'll simply buy a can of gunkote and redo her myself.

That's a good looking hooded merganser!

I hunt doves and geese in Septemeber, ducks and geese in October - February, rabbits, upland birds, and deer in November - January, and Spring turkey in April with my SBEII (26"). I shoot the occasional clay bird when I get really bored.

Sounds like an informed decision to me . Good luck with it.

Barrel length is entirely a personal choice, as there is no real ballistic advantage to having a longer or shorter barrel. Shooters who shoot higher passing targets like geese, ducks, and trap like longer barrels because the added length makes for a more fluid swing and the longer sight plane makes more distant targets appear closer. Shorter barrels are lighter, less cumbersome in the bush, and can be pointed more quickly on fast flushing or running game like grouse, rabbitts, sporting clays, and the like. A 28" semi-automaic shotgun will have as much or more sighting plane than will a 30" O/U. That's because even though the barrel is shorter, the receiver on the semi-auto extends the plane several more inches. This subject has been discussed many times here, and there is no ironclad right answer that anyone can give you. Educate yourself and make an informed decision. Here are some links for you. http://www.sportingclays.net/index_search.cfm?StoryID=2583 http://americangundog.com/straightshooting_AGD1.html (view episode 3) http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/shooting/article/0,13199,334808,00.html

Yeah, mudhen. How do you sight turtles with a Browning? You're hitting high because you're aiming high. Place the front bead on top of the mid bead, making a figure 8. Place the figure 8 just below the turtle's head. /I can't believe I just wrote that

I missed the fact that your Nova was a 20. Of course the 12 will kick more. No, an Inertia semi-auto will kick the same as a pump gun of equal weight, but the SBEII is lighter than most semis and the nova, so it will kick a bit more. If recoil with heavy hunting loads is an issue, you add weight to the SBEII in the form of mercury reducers. These will shave off some of the energy before it gets to your shoulder.

Recoil is a purely scientific principle. Simple physics. The energy delivered to the shoulder is equal to the energy generated by the force of the muzzle blast minus the weight of the gun. Here's an oversimplified formula. Recoil = Energy - Weight. The heavier the gun, the more energy will be spent setting the gun into motion and continuing to drive it rearward. Gas-operated semi-automatic shotguns further reduce felt recoil by re-directing a portion of the expanding gasses into a cylinder which pushes the bolt rearward. Recoil operated, (Inertia) guns do not dissipate gasses and the action is worked by the physical reactions of the gun being forced rearward from recoil. This is why a light load will sometimes fail to cycle an Inertia gun. Simply not not enough push to complete the process. It is also why an imporperly shouldered or held gun may fail. Felt recoil is further reduced by the angle of the stock, good form, clothing, and recoil dampening pads and gadgets. A 12 ga. Nova weighs about 7.9 lbs. A 12 ga. SBEII weighs about 7.1 lbs. All other factors being equal, a Nova will kick slightly less. _____________________________________________ Here's the unsimplified formula for you home-schooled prodigies who may be tired of shooting PD's and catching snapping turtles on your summer break. Recoil Energy in ft. lbs. = (Bw Mv + 4700 Pw)2 / (64.348 Gw) where: Gw= the weight of the gun in pounds Bw = weight of the ejecta (shot and wad) in pounds Pw = powder weight in pounds Mv = muzzle velocity in feet per second Example: Our shooter has an 8 lb. target gun with a load using 19.0 grs. of Clays, a wad weighing 33.0 gr., shot charge of 1 1/8 oz. and giving 1200 fps muzzle velocity. First we must convert the ejecta weight to lbs. (1 1/8 oz. = 492.0 gr.) Dividing grains by 7000 converts to pounds. Gw = 8 lb. Bw = (492.0 + 33.0)/7000 = 0.075 lb. Pw = 18/7,000 = .003 lb. Mv = 1200 fps Substituting the numbers in the formula we find the recoil of the shooter's load = 21.05 ft. lbs.

Liberty's correct. Watch Tom Knapp closely when he fires the gun without putting it to his shoulder. His arms are stiff and his grip is strong. I've fired dove loads from the hip in my SBEII and will fail to eject the spent shell, because I let my arms absorb the recoil instead of letting it energize the inertia bolt.

It's a matter of the ratio of powder to shot. For a 2-3/4" load with 1-1/4 ounces of shot, the max. is 3-3/4 dr. eq. of powder. That's about the most shot and powder you can safely squeeze into a 2-3/4" load. IMHO, manufacturers shouldn't be allowed to vary from the standards by saying stuff light "max. dr. eq." and the like. Anything measurable should be listed numerically. Look at this chart for Wolf ammunition, for example. Some are numeric while others are words. http://www.wolfammo.com/1_shotshell.htm It would be like buying a bag of potato chips and the FDA lable reading, "Fat - Max.". If someone could dig an old MEC chart, it would have the numbers for you.

You know, I was thinking I had explained the whole light/medium/heavy mystery to someone before, so I got to digging around through my old posts. A noob was wanting to know how to determine a heavy load from a light one. He said he was confused. Rather than reposting all of it here, I'll just post the link. http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12689

Assuming you meant 2-3/4" and not actually 3/4" Where did I mention anything about shell length? Liberty did, but the kid's still learning, and I missed correcting him on this one. Of course the gun will cycle 2-3/4" shells. What the manual and CS will tell you is that it isn't recommended to shoot light loads through the inertia guns. Look at the sepcifications in the catalogs and on this website. "Minimum recommended load, use 3 dram 1-1/8 ounce loads in all Benelli 12 ga. semi-auto guns." Anyone who is going to spend the majority of their time at the club shooting the girly stuff needs to seriously consider a good gas gun over the inertia designs. The light stuff BARELY has enough oomph to cycle the action. This cuts the shooter margin of error down to nothing, so that one slip in form will result in a failure. Yes, like you, many shooters run thousands of rounds of the light stuff through the inertia guns without a problem, but anyone who buys one for that purpose after being warned by the manufaturer against it is all about the HORSE CRAP.

Between the Xtrema2 and the SBEII there are no wrong choices. The SBEII will kick no more than the Nova does, using the same loads. Have a good look at both and make a decision based on how they fit and feel to you.

Technically, a smoothbore gun will fire saboted slugs without a problem. It's a waste of money, time, and energy to do so, because there's nothing to impart spin onto the projectile in a smoothbore. The only other limitations you have with your Nova are the same limitations that apply to all smoothbores with regard to using the right guage shells and the proper choke tubes with certain shot types, like steel.

OK. I'll do it. A beetle is an insect, which is a class of animal.