Duggan

Sounds like a good way to get shot / arrested.

Yep. A T1 would be a better optic, IMO.

Good luck getting the stock sling loop out.

An excellent ANALogy, my dear sir. I also thought of this similarity at one time when I forced my way into the rear buttpad and screwed off the rubber.

It's true, I do plenty of that now. I think it has to do with the fact that the Benelli market is just so damn stale and boring compared to lots of other gun markets and forums I participate on ... I mean, Benelli has come out with what, only a few new (boring) models in recent years, and there are only a few aftermarket parts to discuss ad naseum. It's the bane of producing a nearly perfect product I suppose ... there aren't many new changes that need to be implemented as the years go by. As such, I get bored discussing the same thing over and over, and you know, idle hands and all that stuff. It's either stop posting on this forum (which I've done for months at a time) or find a way to make this forum not so boring. After answering thousands of times the dozen or so questions that repeatedly get asked and answered seemingly every week ("IS THE M4 922r LEGAL? HOW HARD IS IT TO TAKE THE MAGAZINE TUBE OFF? HOW DO YOU TAKE THE STOCK OFF?" etc), you're right, I get sick of being helpful. I'd rather be a dick and trash talk the people who have been here awhile, who I know will take it in stride and return fire. If my sarcastic antics offend you, I apologize. But not really. It's not my fault you're a sensitive sally with no sense of humor. Perhaps you should ask your doctor to step it up to prescription strength Vagisil, as the OTC strength clearly isn't cutting it for you. You may now return your attention to the AARP card carrying member who started this lame thread to showcase his beat up female model gay gold embroidered mossberg. He currently is trying to liquidate his trailer in order that he can afford to be the highest bidder for this timeless piece of art:

Removing the recoil pad doesn't make sense. It looks like it would just slide onto the recoil tube from the bottom and then screw the stock back on. If you have to remove the recoil pad for some reason, it's easy ... stick a screwdriver through the two holes in the pad and unscrew it.

Sorry, I only care about working guns, not safe queen trophy guns.

I use the back of my thumb to do this. Hold round in hand, push carrier back with back of thumb, insert new round. Then again, I've only done it a few times and never really have had to practice it. People also use the weak hand bolt carrier group underhand racking technique quite well, I imagine you could throw a round in while doing that with a little bit of practice. Long story short ... use a rifle, not a shotgun, if you think you'll need distance.

The more you talk, the dumber you sound.

I also live in NY. There has never been a single 922r case tried or convicted, here or in any other state. The collapsible stock BS is a joke. M1014 can bad mouth me all he wants in private, that doesn't make my logic any less sound or your logic any more sound. This is your first shotgun ... and you plan on blowing 3g's on an old model M4 simply because it's "Limited Edition"? Seriously? You shouldn't think that you're crazy, you should KNOW that you're crazy.

Low IQ ... that's rich. I have a degree in economics, so I think I have a pretty good grasp on the basic premise of supply and demand, thank you. It's less capable because it has less features. The recoil tube isn't milled to allow the collapsible stock (that you so dearly love) to collapse, it doesn't have interchangable choke tubes, and it uses the 4 gas port barrel that beats up shell carriers. Clearly, the lack of these features makes the flag and serial number worth the $1500 premium. You're right, I don't understand the concept of paying double the price for 90% of the shotgun. "Limited Edition" doesn't mean a thing if that limited edition is less capable than a brand new, commonly available, superior in every possible way alternative. A less capable version of the same thing isn't rare and desirable, it's outdated. Do you want to buy my neon purple 1996 Honda Civic? Only 50 of them were made in that color so it's rare as can be, and clearly is worth 2x what a new Civic would cost. It's not a matter of "being able to afford it", it's a matter of why on earth would any sane person WANT to buy it in the first place. Go ahead and waste your money, I don't give a ****. I'll happily sit here and laugh at your foolish antics. As I said before, if the gun is being purchased for use solely as a paperweight, more power to you. If you actually plan on using the gun ... you're batshit crazy choosing the M1014 over the 11707.

They're not. It's the same thing with less features and an outdated barrel design. Only a fool would buy one over a 11707 model.

I'm well aware of the model differences. I am curious is to why anyone sane would pay $1000-$1500 extra, the cost of an entire additional m4, to buy an outdated, less capable model of the same shotgun ... assuming that you're actually going to use the shotgun, and not just let it be a paperweight. If you're doing it just for the flag and serial number ... well, I guess that's your right to do, but that doesn't make it any less illogical. This isn't some exotic, priceless woodgrain, custon artisan crafted weapon ... there is nothing unique or special about the M1014. The fact that they sell for $3000, if they really do, is just testament to how utterly ridiculous some people are. It's like buying a limited edition Ferrari 360 when for the same money you could buy 2 Ferrari 430's. A fool and their money ... ETA - I'm really not trying to be a dick, I just hate to see people waste money on something that they wrongly perceive to be of higher value ... thus why I'm curious as to exactly why you want a M1014 specifically. If you want it just to mount on a wall or put in a safe and be like HAHA IVE GOT AN ORIGINAL M1014 IM THE ******* MAN WHAT NOW BITCHEZZ all the more power to you.

I'm curious as to what you consider a fake m4 to be?

People willing to pay a large premium for old, outdated models make me shake my head.

Absolute vaporware until we start hearing confirmed cases of them arriving in the hands of forum users.

Nice, I don't know why the stock ones are so tiny honestly. This goes for pretty much every benelli.

I will never understand collectors and their delusional feelings regarding what their toys are actually worth.

I meant to post this earlier, but due to moving and being out of touch etc I've been distracted. I received my rail a week or so ago ... a flawless piece of finely machined metal, well designed and well produced. Not that this is surprising, given who is making it and what the design was intended to rectify. Hopefully at some point I'll actually get around to shooting my newly capable m4 again.

I've been meaning to get an edgepro for awhile. Perhaps soon.

Oh hey look, more retarded showboating from the most retarded and hated training company around. They claim to not support it ... but they want the attention and traffic brought from it. Which is really what their company has always been about ... fraud and trying to ride the coattails of various events. I remember they caught tons of flack from trying to get sales out of some marines death, saying that if he had their training he wouldn't have died or something. Pretty much, screw Front Sight. There are plenty of other respectable training facilities that don't have a complete asshat for a frontman.

It's just a flesh wound! Godspeed my friend.

I personally thought it was funny.

He's crazy. Don't encourage his delirious delusional rambling. He's also old enough to be certified as senile.

Clearly the Marines have it all wrong. They should be using limited edition SBE's.