Liberty or death Jr.

Yep, 16 and single, got plenty of training time. If I am going with a PP, then it will be in the next few months that I get him, this fall, I am only really worried about water retrieval. Next summer is when I would get him on pheasants, and improved water training. Forgot to call Bob today, to late now, I call him tomarrow.

I'm not sure if it is every state, but I think most states forbid the use of a tactical shotgun for bird hunting.

I'm going to call Bob tomarrow, I have emailed him a few times about the PP's. He asked me to call him because it was easier to talk then to write. How close are you to Boise? That is where Bob lives, do you know him? Nice dog box, everyone I know just lets their dog sit in the cab, the back, or just puts them in a kennel in the back. I don't think a dog needs a $500 box just to ride around in. I read PP's don't shed, don't know how true that is. Are those Chukar? Kinda wierd looking.

Well, I talked it over with my dad, he thinks I should get a black lab because, "its tried and true" Basically, we don't know anyone with a pudel pointer and he doesn't know anything about them. And he think that since smarter dogs bad habits are harder to break he thinks a big dumb lab would do well. Just about all our hunting friends have labs or pointers or both. Not one has a PP. I don't know a whole lot about training, and my dad figured it would be better to get a dog that a lot of people had so they could show me a bit about it. What do y'all think? I've talked to the guy who sells them, he assured me they were the best hunting dogs out there. And just reading about them has sparked my interest.

Nah, I think I would prefer less clothing, not more.

Good eye, I missed that.

I would have to say no, it isn't.

Sweeeeet! Thanks again Tuck.

Well I am a hard core waterfowler. I would much perfer a dog made for duck and goose hunting, I don't hunt pheasant much, but I was hoping for a dog that would do well when I do go. I don't really want two dogs, we already have 3, 2 Jacks and a Chihuahua. This dog is going to get strict training, and I hope to spend a lot of time with it. I am looking for the best breed possible. I'll look into the pudel pointers you mentioned Sdkidaho, I was planning on spending premium for a lab with good genetics and backround, which typically run from $350-600 here. I want to get it very soon and have it trained and ready for this fall though so the pudel might be out of the quesion just because I read about how booked they are from the site you gave me. Thanks for the suggestions, my personal preference is a male black lab from naturally small parents. I was offered a small 4 year old male black lab today but the dog didn't know anything about hunting and had been living in someones back yard with hardly any attention since it was a pup.

I know they are just target guns made for accuracy, but I agree with zzdc8384, they are butt ugly. If they came out with a more practicle handgun like a Taurus 24/7 or something similar I would definately buy one.

That is interesting that you are having these problems. They must have prepared a few thousand shotguns wrong. I have read a few problems with the SBE IIs also. My nova went through think brush and some thorns every single time I hunted with it. Which was a lot this year, I have a few minor digs and scratches, most of which are from dropping it or something. The camo on my gun has far exceeded what I expected from a paint job. I'm very happy with the way mine has held up.

Me too, I haven't seen it at any gun shops around my place. Also, one of the shops has just about every benelli they make and they don't have the new cordoba.

Sweet, how long is that barrel with the muzzle brake or whatever that thing on the end is.

Lucky you, it has been over since January 4th, geese was January 12th. Here are a few pics from this year, I think I hunted over decoys maybe three times this year, the rest was just pass shooting. http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/Goosebonker/IMG_0167.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/Goosebonker/DCP_0956.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/Goosebonker/DCP_1019.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/Goosebonker/CopyofIMG_0045.jpg How do I post pics :confused:

Thanks again Tuck, I looked a little more into the Weimaraners and they are not for me. I was told an Irish setter would be good for all around hunting like that but I don't like their long hair and they are a large dog. I was leaning on the lab anyway. Does color and gender have any influence on training? I have heard female weimaraners are easier to train the males. I was just curious if labs were the same.

Hey all, I know this is the wrong forum but I was wondering if any of you could recommend a good bird dog. I want it to be able to retrieve ducks and geese off of fields or water and I want it to be able to flush birds and retrieve them. I was thinking lab but was also looking into weimaraners, but I don't know how a weimaraner would do as a water dog. Also, I'm not sure if a flushing dog or a pointing dog would be good for pheasant. I have always just flushed them myself and I bring my jack russel cause he likes jumping through the brush too. I have never hunted with a pointing dog and don't know if that would be better. Also, if I were to go hunting for doves and quail would I want a pointer or a flusher. Thanks

Yes, they are coming out with the cordoba in Max-4. Its under there new products for 2007. http://www.benelliusa.com/newProductTour/tour.html Click on the cordoba then click on specifications. I definitely want one.

I wouldn't just because I don't see enough of a gap between the 12 and 20 for a 16 gauge. You can get light rounds for the 12 or heavy rounds for the 20. 16 aren't bad but 12 are more versatile.

I like the look of the new camo cordoba, I'll have to get me one of them and a camo M4.

Thanks Tuck. I took a quick look at it. Are they also conserving habitat? I'll look more into their site. I think I'm going to sign up.

Let me guess, only available to the military? I'll take a camo M4.

Whats Delta? Being 16, I don't support DU either but I don't know really what to do.

So what are we doing about it? Its either impoundments for ducks or destroy the natural habitat and slowly kill off the ducks in our country. I also read they are trying to preserve their natural habitat. I didn't read anything about an impoundment.

Where do you guys think waterfowling is going to go in the next few years? I read in the DU magazine today that they are plowing a lot of duck habitat, and MT and another state are going to turn waterfowl habitat into crops. I also read that DU is coming up with a 1.7 billion dollar project to protect some of the waterfowls crutial breeding grounds. Just curious on the subject.

My old charles daly does that occasionally, but it isn't a very quality gun.